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Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:26 pm
by Gavin
I cannot find the info online regarding whether the Works got the N18 engine in 2012 or if it had uprated ancilliaries and therefore did not suffer from the chocolate turbo failures I was warned of ages ago when I considered a Cooper S.
Is an S without the N18 worth the risk, will they have had better turbos fitted?
Any advice welcome as looks like the 205 Cooper we have is not worth putting through it's next MOT so looking for a replacement.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:11 pm
by scotta
I don’t think it’s the turbos that are the issue. It’s coking of the inlets that fucks them. Something Grannied about with low miles is higher risk.
SJ can confirm.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:35 pm
by mikeyb
My GP is a 2013 and has the N18.
I think the S got the N18 before the JCW did. Either way I’m fairly certain both models had the N18 from 2012.
As said above, turbos don’t seem to be the issue with either engine. N14s suffered with timing chains and High Pressure Fuel Pump issues. N18s suffer with both, but to a lesser degree.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:08 pm
by scotta
Vanos solenoids are also an issue. However it cost me £18 for the pair. And one 10mm bolt to change it.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:21 pm
by mikeyb
Ah yes. The rear one (intake?) proved troublesome on mine to change. The one on the front of the engine was a piece of piss to change.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:54 pm
by jamcg
I believe the earlier engine suffers from chain tensioner failure, and your only warning is a rattle on cold start. Other than that it works perfectly - until it doesn’t. And you find out what happens when an interference engine gives up
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:34 am
by Gavin
Thanks all! So is the Cooper engine a different block? Would a 2009, say, Cooper be relatively OK?
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:09 am
by Sundayjumper
Late to the party here, sorry !
I just checked and our S was registered July 2011. It has the N18 so I guess it’s a 2012 “model year” thing rather than 2012 production. The Clubman I had last year had the N14 engine. The N18 is definitely nicer to drive. The headline power isn’t a huge jump but the double VANOS makes the low end much fuller.
Cam chains are certainly a thing. Not sure how common a fully catastrophic failure is though. If you can find a car with it already (and relatively recently) done that’s a plus. I did the chain on my wife’s car and although it didn’t *need* changing it does run better for it. It’s close to a full day’s work so £500-£1000 if you’re paying someone.
Intake coking also a thing. Neither of ours were too bad though. Not hugely expensive to get it walnut blasted especially if combined with the cam chain work “while you’re there”.
And listen carefully for clonking front suspension. I’ve STILL not fixed it
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:11 am
by Sundayjumper
Gavin wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:34 am
Thanks all! So is the Cooper engine a different block? Would a 2009, say, Cooper be relatively OK?
I think it’s the same block, the “S” just gains a turbot.
Get the “S” if you can.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:39 am
by scotta
@Sundayjumper Have you got a source anywhere that does front brake backing plates?
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:56 am
by Sundayjumper
Not off the top of my head. My favourite supplier is Car Parts in Motion:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/carpartsinmotion
They seem to have most things, and pricing is always good, frequently with a promo code on top.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:07 am
by scotta
Ta - will look.
Parks the dealer has an ebay page but they want £45 each side which is more expensive than the discs from the factor.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:39 am
by Sundayjumper
That price sounds about right. Backing always seem expensive for what they are.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:11 am
by scotta
Sundayjumper wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:39 am
That price sounds about right. Backing always seem expensive for what they are.
Grumble...Mutter...something...something...FINE ill order them...
*Shuffles off*
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:14 am
by mik
scotta wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:11 am
Sundayjumper wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:39 am
That price sounds about right. Backing always seem expensive for what they are.
Grumble...Mutter...something...something...FINE ill order them...
*Shuffles off*
I've often wondered about the "value" of backing plates. I see them as reducing brake dust "spread" and heat-soak to suspension / driveshaft components more than providing any real benefit to the brakes themselves.... but they can be a real faf to fit.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:20 am
by Sundayjumper
Yeah.
On the Compact, the rears also support the handbrake shoes so you can't go without. The fronts I've discarded completely.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:38 am
by scotta
Sundayjumper wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:20 am
Yeah.
On the Compact, the rears also support the handbrake shoes so you can't go without. The fronts I've discarded completely.
Half of them have already turned to dust on the driveway and ive not rushed to replace them. Makes sense to do it whilst ive got it on the ramp and the wheels off though. As you say limited benefit IMO. keeps a bit of road grit off the brakes i suppose but thats all.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:07 pm
by Broccers
N18 in ours is 185 standard, with a jb+ tuning box and k&N typhoon probably 215.
JCW lots more to insure but look better and will be sort after one day.
Ours failed onFront Lower Suspension arm pin or bush excessively worn WISHBONE ARM BUSHes last mot for the second time since Ive had it and theyre a pig to change so not cheap 2 to 3 hour labour.
Other than that I would say it handles pretty well on lowered springs and would probably need cooling and lsd to make it faster.
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:14 pm
by Gavin
Sundayjumper wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:09 am
Late to the party here, sorry !
I just checked and our S was registered July 2011. It has the N18 so I guess it’s a 2012 “model year” thing rather than 2012 production. The Clubman I had last year had the N14 engine. The N18 is definitely nicer to drive. The headline power isn’t a huge jump but the double VANOS makes the low end much fuller.
Cam chains are certainly a thing. Not sure how common a fully catastrophic failure is though. If you can find a car with it already (and relatively recently) done that’s a plus. I did the chain on my wife’s car and although it didn’t *need* changing it does run better for it. It’s close to a full day’s work so £500-£1000 if you’re paying someone.
Intake coking also a thing. Neither of ours were too bad though. Not hugely expensive to get it walnut blasted especially if combined with the cam chain work “while you’re there”.
And listen carefully for clonking front suspension. I’ve STILL not fixed it
Thanks
@Sundayjumper where would one fid the engine code please?
Re: Mini Cooper S/Works
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:35 pm
by Sundayjumper
Not sure but they're visually very different:
