Pie or no pie
Pie or no pie
Friends round last night. Bloke is from "The North" (of England) and - as we were going for food - lead us into a brief debate on pies.
His position is that a pie is only a pie if it encases the contents in pastry. None of this cook it in a tray/pot/wotevah and place a pastry "lid" on the top shenanigans.
We didn't even get into the subject of pastry-less options like fish pie or cottage pie....
His position is that a pie is only a pie if it encases the contents in pastry. None of this cook it in a tray/pot/wotevah and place a pastry "lid" on the top shenanigans.
We didn't even get into the subject of pastry-less options like fish pie or cottage pie....
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A pie has to be portable with no other support from pots etc, the rest are just pastry topped whatever’s,
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I don’t really like short crust pastry so would be more than happy for any pie to just be a Bastet disk on top of a thick stew.
As mentioned cottage / shepherds pie have no side support and no pastry. Then again, I don’t really like mash either so both of those would be better with a puff pastry lid.
As mentioned cottage / shepherds pie have no side support and no pastry. Then again, I don’t really like mash either so both of those would be better with a puff pastry lid.
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You've missed the whole weird American pizza pie (as I understand it, a literal translation of the Italian name for pizzas?)
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I don't discriminate against any pie, or item of food identifying as pie. To quote famous Scottish glutton Fat Bastard: "get in ma belly!".
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Unless it's specifically a shepherd's or cowherd's pie the lack of pastry sides for a "pie" should be considered the grossest form of false advertising.
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This. If there’s no pastry on the bottom it’s just stew with an edible lid
Mashed potato topped things have a special dispensation, unless they’re mini versions. In which case they should be in pastry
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Good luck eating your baseless pie without a knife and fork you filthy animals.
When the apocalypse comes we will be well fed with our practical and tasty pies.
Dave!
(Love a shepards pie, I have no argument for this one)
When the apocalypse comes we will be well fed with our practical and tasty pies.
Dave!
(Love a shepards pie, I have no argument for this one)
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I don't think we can define it as being encased in pastry because of shepherd's pie, fish pie etc., but a pastry lid on top on a dish of pie filling sounds pathetic.
A really big bugbear of mine since moving to London has been that it's literally impossible to find a decent pie at the supermarket. Back in Northern Ireland any supermarket would stock multiple brands of really good pie, Cloughbane Farm Shop is one I remember the name of but there was another even better one. But despite the English being so proud of their pies, all the ones I've had here are cardboard-pastry disappointments. I'm sure in Yorkshire and places like that do better but I've tried to find pies in Liverpool as well and haven't had any luck there.
A really big bugbear of mine since moving to London has been that it's literally impossible to find a decent pie at the supermarket. Back in Northern Ireland any supermarket would stock multiple brands of really good pie, Cloughbane Farm Shop is one I remember the name of but there was another even better one. But despite the English being so proud of their pies, all the ones I've had here are cardboard-pastry disappointments. I'm sure in Yorkshire and places like that do better but I've tried to find pies in Liverpool as well and haven't had any luck there.
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People in the North always seem so concerned about what foods called. I'm happy for there to be a variety of pie recipes for however much pastry the chef wants to use (or not, in the case of shepherds and cottage pie.
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Correct Rich - there are many types of pie. Some encased in pastry, some not. They’re all pies.
And because not all ‘Meat fully encased in Pastry’ are pies - Cornish Pasty for example, it fails as a hard and fast definition IMO
And because not all ‘Meat fully encased in Pastry’ are pies - Cornish Pasty for example, it fails as a hard and fast definition IMO
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What about pies with a bottom but no top? Custard pie, Pecan pie etc etc
I fear the horse has already bolted with regard to keeping the pie definition pure
I fear the horse has already bolted with regard to keeping the pie definition pure
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Shepherd's/cottage pie - mash
Fish pie - pastry lid (or mash?)
Meat pie - fully encased, bring on the calories.
Fish pie - pastry lid (or mash?)
Meat pie - fully encased, bring on the calories.
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Fish pie and Shepherd's pie have special dispensation for not actually being pies. A little like how Angel Delight is in fact not delightful.
What we need is a legal mind to rule on the subject, as occurred with the great Jaffa Cake debate https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manual ... /vfood6260
@GG. any prospect of passing legislation to crack down on our wayward food naming?
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There was a government petition in relation to this. The numbers are impressive.
https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/46504
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mik wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:33 amThere was a government petition in relation to this. The numbers are impressive.
https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/46504
I'm not passionate about it. Usually the pastry under a pie isn't great anyway, so I'm fine to replace that volume with a bit more meat / sauce etc.
As long as I know I'm getting some pastry and the filling of my choice, I'm happy.
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The above only applies to sit down meals mind you, on the go full encasement and not too liquidy filling are crucial.