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Per forum convention, not yet, but hopefully soon.

This has been going on too long. If you've been following the news articles of these wretched animals over the last few months you'll see the attacks reported almost daily. No decent society should be letting these thuggish attack animals out on the streets. Being on a lead isn't enough as they are so strong they can overwhelm many owners.

I don't also buy the 'no bad dogs, only bad owners' line that some vapid potatoes claim, including the idiots at the RSPCA. It's the same reason about guns; 'guns don't kill people, humans do', but we still ban guns anyway. If you've seen some of the attacks on video that are in the news and on YouTube etc then you'll have seen just how dangerously and relentlessly they go after their victims when their heckles are raised.

It's about time they were all banned and euthanised. Anyone caught owning or breeding them after that time then 5 years inside.

Yeah I'd agree with you on that.

I think the main challenge is that "Bully XL" isn't a defined breed so classifying exactly which animals this relates to is going to be very difficult.

This is one near me. Sorry for the daily mail link but it’s got more in it than any of our local news has, and less adverts

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... %20muzzled.

Bull breeds in general are a nuisance. Our Cockerpoo has been mauled 3 times all by Staff or Staff crosses and on each occasion the dogs owners got injured or risked injury regaining some sort of control!

Too strong, to stupid and with high prey drive is a dangerous combination. I see no reason why they are suitable as pets.

I don't know much about them, but I have no doubt that there are "dangerous breeds" like pit bulls who have been bred to hone the instinct to attack (and fully eliminate) any perceived threat. Bully XL's sound like they fall into the same "Are you a TAUC? Do you want a dog? Then you need....." category.

Simon wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:28 am they go after their victims when their heckles are raised.

As a forum member, I can't let this mis-speelong of hackles go however.... or indeed "shackles" if you are a TV presenter.



(Although zooming to 6mins40 the bloke explains that these dogs exist because of The Hip Hop.)

Simon wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:28 am It's about time they were all banned and euthanised. Anyone caught owning or breeding them after that time then 5 years inside.

I like to think I'm a reasonable sort of chap, so they should be given the chance to be euthanised at the same time as the dog perhaps?

The worst of it is that these new dogs are horribly inbred. They found one bloodline in the US that featured the same male dog 4 different times.

I don’t really agree with putting dogs down or the current way we do dangerous dog legislation but clearly something needs to be done about these dogs.

A stupid response, banning a breed with no real standard or lineage, you’d be guessing at best. Many dogs are bigger and more powerful. It’s twatish owners and awful breeders. A pissed off St-Bernard would make an XL Bully look stupid but the proper breeding has created the right temprament for the dog that it is.

It was Rottweilers, then Alsatian’s, then Staffordshire terriers, then Cane Corsos, now XL Bullys.

If they were a proper breed with a breed standard then it wouldn’t be an issue but any fool can breed dogs and call it a name.

The dogs I’ve seen have either been very badly bred or badly socialised, around here its cockapoos (sorry to owners on here) who’ve attacked mine as during lockdown they were the easy money dog of choice, no thought to breed standards.

If a dog attacks a person for no reason, they need to be put to sleep. Breeders should have some kind of experience or training and if you enable your dog to hurt someone then the charge should be as if you yourself did it.

Dave!

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:28 pm The worst of it is that these new dogs are horribly inbred. They found one bloodline in the US that featured the same male dog 4 different times.

I don’t really agree with putting dogs down or the current way we do dangerous dog legislation but clearly something needs to be done about these dogs.

Agree completely.

Temprament, Health, fitness, breed standard. I fell out with a friend as he wanted to breed his pain in the arse Labrador as it was a nice colour. Forget the dodgy hips and possessive nature.

Dave!

I saw one of these for the first time last week sitting outside the local Sainsbury's for his owner. No lead, sitting patiently and was an incredibly smiley dog.

But f*ck me this thing was massive - one big barrel of muscle. It's the only time I can ever remember walking past a dog like that and not being at-ease. Very unnerving indeed.

18 of the 22 deaths from dog attacks in the UK since Jan 2020 involved Bull Breeds or crosses of. That speaks for itself!

Carlos wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 5:52 pm 18 of the 22 deaths from dog attacks in the UK since Jan 2020 involved Bull Breeds or crosses of. That speaks for itself!

So all bull breeds need banning ?

There must be 20 or more bull breeds in the U.K.

The punishment for bad breeding and handling must be massively higher but it shouldn’t mean ban the breed.

Dave!

I may not be clear, I am massively anti-wannabe breeders and very pro dog .

Dave!

I've not once said they all need banning and agree the consequences for poor breeding, owning as well as handling should be far more severe and regulated. They are clearly capable of killing adults as well as children and have done so. 80% of the deaths from what I suspect is less than 10% of the dog pool is an alarming statistic.

In my opinion they are not suitable pets in the same sense that a Persian is but a Puma isn't. I'm not suggesting make Puma's extinct but other than the wild you'd expect them to be only kept in a licensed environment by someone suitably qualified.

I’d say far less than 10%, probably 1 or 2% or so.

Temprament checks for all breeding pairs for all dogs, it’s far too easy to just act like a breeder.

Dave!

While the death statistics are frightening, the number of people requiring surgery after dog attacks had increased by 300% since lockdown

Not sure if the Bulldog numbers mind

SBut something is going wrong and needs addressing

We should stick to cats like the Hip Hop gang did before Bully's came along

Its a breeding-owner-breeder cycle that leads to these situations, you can't separate.
Genetic tendencies which lead to neurological abnormalities are well known in the animal kingdom, so its no surprise than certain breeds (which generally lack genetic diversity to counter the probabilities) are inherently more aggressive from breeders/owners selecting the ones that win fights to breed further; these are not dogs being bred as guard dogs or to protect families, where occasionally you get a bad one.

My dog “Hunter” is sat by my feet (in a pub obviously) with people eating and no lead on.. he’s not a sociable dog and is obsessive about me, but I have zero concerns he will attack another dog or person because he’s been trained repeatedly and trained well. He’ll sit here all night, in fact I’ll stay extra long to prove it , and apart from the women he gets over (not sure if they’re for me or him!) most people don’t know he’s there..

All dogs need training, all owners should be vetted and a licence required with suitable punishment for people who dogs attack others, but tbh you don’t know the work required until you actually have a dog, so I don’t know how well that would work.

I’ve no idea what to do with dogs that have been Mal-treated, especially XL dogs (where would the liability lie if they attacked someone after being re-homed?) except to drop them all in Putin’s bathroom!

Tl;dr - it’s the owners fault, we need bigger punishment for them, but sadly the dogs have to go..

It’s an unfeasibly difficult task to keep tabs on every owner so the only easy way is to get rid of dogs which are naturally more aggressive.
And yes, it’s totally the owners fault. I have a neighbour who is a nice lad but he’s just not all there mentally. He’s had black labs all his life (so you’d expect him to be good at training them by now) and his current 3 year old one is unbelievably stupid.
Can’t leave him alone in the house as he’ll destroy everything, can’t leave him alone in the car as he’ll eat the interior, can’t eat with him nearby as he’ll steal your food, can’t walk him on a leash as he goes mental on one, can’t walk off the leash either…
Fucking mental.