It looks unlikely that we will have one party with a majority, so another chance for the Lib Dem’s to prove their… erm, worth?
I’m a big believer in largest vote winner then being able to create a government with other parties (as opposed to all the lower vote winning parties banding together) so thought we may as getting the ball rolling about who we’d like (and why that doesn’t include the SNP )
Let's face it, LD aren't going into coalition with the Cons anytime soon are they? This, despite the fact that the LDs had more of their manifesto enacted in the 2010 coalition than their vote share would say they were entitled to. The problem is that the students only remember the student loan issue and nothing else.
Realistically we are looking at a minority Labour government being propped up issue by issue by the LDs, a slim Lab majority, or a full on Lab/Lib coalition, if the number of LibDem MPs outnumbers the number of seats on the minibus I'm allowed to drive.
And I agree that the biggest vote winner gets the first crack at claiming confidence of the house to form a government, as did Nick Clegg back in 2010 which is why he did the deal he did with Cameroon rather than a 'coalition of the rest' with Brown.
Would be nice to think the scenario above would result in a push for PR but I don't suppose the major parties want people engaged in politics, the "they are all as bas as each other" trope serves the main two well, although mainly Tories.
Taking into account the way the local elections have gone and adding in the general feeling in the country of disillusion towards the conservative government- if labour don’t walk it I’d be surprised. If they don’t then they need to bin off Starmer and get someone universally likeable
If Labour don't win they might as well pack up and go home. They've also been making a lot of good noises around food and frankly I think we need a change of leadership, if only to shake things up.
I suspect Labour will get a majority, but I wouldn't mind a bit of issue by issue voting as long as people are sensible and it isn't too difficult to get things done.
Gavin wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:17 am
Would be nice to think the scenario above would result in a push for PR but I don't suppose the major parties want people engaged in politics, the "they are all as bas as each other" trope serves the main two well, although mainly Tories.
THere's already a suggestion that the PR vote will be something the LDs force out of Lab to prop up a coalition. Wouldn't be a bad thing at all imo. I have no issue with the principle of FPTP, but it's clearly no longer working for the UK when you have a choice of Con or Lab. If PR enabled the parties to align more with their traditional roots then that would be no bad thing at all - the worst thing for UK politics imo has been the push to appeal to everyone, as it means they appeal to no one and get fuck all done.
I don't see the issue with Sir Kier, I guess he could try and step forward and be a bit more of a commanding personality, but Sunak isn't that either. surely people don't want leaders like Boris or Corbyn?!
I dont trust any of them. I thought that the SNP were the best of a bad bunch - but see how that's turned out in recent weeks.
Those in government should be the best leaders surrounded by the best people with the interest of the country put first. This simply is not the case. In all honesty i think we could form a government from the members of this forum (Not Broccers) and do a better job
The thirst for Penny Mordaunt among middle aged conservative dudes is incredible. I feel a bit embarrassed on their behalf for some of the shit they post
ZedLeg wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:43 am
Labour have an open goal at the moment
Exactly - All their slogan needs to be is "We're not the Conservatives" and they're a shoe-in
However, they'll fuck it up. They'll get dragged (by he Conservatives most likely) into some debate they don't want to be in - either on Gender, the Environment or some topic where their choice will be alienate the middle ground or alienate the Grass Roots Union vote - and they'll screw it up.
JLv3.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm
I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm
but Dinny was right…
I think it's clearer than that. Kier has nothing but rehashed conservative and New Labour policies to talk about. None of them are particularly popular with voters on the left so he's relying almost entirely on people not wanting to vote for the tories for their win.
I don't think people are going to put him in number 10 just to get rid of the current lot though.
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