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With this world of 4 cylinders, chintzy shiny glitzy crap and ooh wrap it in chrome and slap an AMG badge on it, it was only going to happen.

AMG have finally jumped the shark.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_SbJi9i_k

Dave!

Forget the cars. Are those real?!

You're just getting old Dave, not down with the kids anymore. They don't want oily bits (on their cars at least) or know how to gap a MAF correctly. They're the iPhone generation where a new app solves the problem!

V8Granite wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:37 am With this world of 4 cylinders, chintzy shiny glitzy crap and ooh wrap it in chrome and slap an AMG badge on it, it was only going to happen.

AMG have finally jumped the shark.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_SbJi9i_k

Dave!

I know the new 4 banger C63 won't be everyone's taste, but the world is changing and like it or not cars, including performance cars, have to change with it. As such I have little time for the people who's say 'the only real C63 is the 6.2 W204' etc.

I'm intrigued by the new C63 anyway. It has the electric motor from the GT coupe e-Performance so should be no slouch.

Not AMG but more generally Mercedes related - I see from CarWow that even the S500 is no longer a V8

Simon wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:09 am

V8Granite wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:37 am With this world of 4 cylinders, chintzy shiny glitzy crap and ooh wrap it in chrome and slap an AMG badge on it, it was only going to happen.

AMG have finally jumped the shark.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_SbJi9i_k

Dave!

I know the new 4 banger C63 won't be everyone's taste, but the world is changing and like it or not cars, including performance cars, have to change with it. As such I have little time for the people who's say 'the only real C63 is the 6.2 W204' etc.

I'm intrigued by the new C63 anyway. It has the electric motor from the GT coupe e-Performance so should be no slouch.

I don’t like the new performance car world, it’s dull.

Now if you give me a few hours, I just need to fire up the boiler for a run to the shops

Dave!

The general reduction in cylinder count is a sad inevitability.

I hate the cheapening of great brands for marketing shenanigans though. AMG. M-division. Cooper. Etc etc

mik wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:02 pm The general reduction in cylinder count is a sad inevitability.

I hate the cheapening of great brands for marketing shenanigans though. AMG. M-division. Cooper. Etc etc

There is a stunning condition E39 M5 in the town which just oozes class.

I’d say Merc is the worst of the lot and The BMW M5 has always stayed quite handsome and understated.

Dave!

Have you seen the current M5? Not a great looking or understated car. I think peak M5 was E39, E34, E60, E28. In that order.

I can't remember which new/facelifted MBer it was I read about t'other day but the base model is AMG Line

DeskJockey wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:58 pm Have you seen the current M5? Not a great looking or understated car. I think peak M5 was E39, E34, E60, E28. In that order.

The last one I saw in the flesh was when they introduced the TT 4.4 V8.



I saw this on the ferry and forgot how great they looked

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:07 pm

DeskJockey wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:58 pm Have you seen the current M5? Not a great looking or understated car. I think peak M5 was E39, E34, E60, E28. In that order.

The last one I saw in the flesh was when they introduced the TT 4.4 V8.



I saw this on the ferry and forgot how great they looked

Dave!

I think that's Sepang Bronze. Stunning!

It has aged incredibly well.

I’m guessing it was a pricey option as not many cars about have it ? Although a similar brown is seen on a lot of X3s.

Dave!

I agree. But I've always really liked the look of the E60 (especially in M5 guise). I think it just became the norm to say they were ugly and jump on anti-bangle bandwagon just because. I also think a lot of it stemmed from Clarkson.. but not all of Bangle's offerings were ugly!

You do indeed see the bronze more often on the modern stuff, but yeah, more of a brown.

I'd love an E64 M6 in that Bronze

Every Bangle design has grown on me a little bit over time but I don’t think any of them will be seen as classics.

The E60 is/was a great looking car (though only in M sport level) - I think they're now in that "chavvy banger" stage of life though - whether they'll emerge as a classy classic the other side is anyone's guess.

240PP wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:05 pm Every Bangle design has grown on me a little bit over time but I don’t think any of them will be seen as classics.

Hmmm. Not sure. I think the Z4 SI/M could be worth keeping an eye on, and I can really see the E60/61 M5 being worth a few quid. M6 maybe. E61 550i another maybe.

Rich B wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:05 pm The E60 is/was a great looking car (though only in M sport level) - I think they're now in that "chavvy banger" stage of life though - whether they'll emerge as a classy classic the other side is anyone's guess.

I think you're right there. Most E60's I see are knackered..

Alex88 wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:56 am

240PP wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:05 pm Every Bangle design has grown on me a little bit over time but I don’t think any of them will be seen as classics.

Hmmm. Not sure. I think the Z4 SI/M could be worth keeping an eye on, and I can really see the E60/61 M5 being worth a few quid. M6 maybe. E61 550i another maybe.

I’ll allow the E92 M3 but that’s it.

240PP wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:04 am

Alex88 wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:56 am

240PP wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:05 pm Every Bangle design has grown on me a little bit over time but I don’t think any of them will be seen as classics.

Hmmm. Not sure. I think the Z4 SI/M could be worth keeping an eye on, and I can really see the E60/61 M5 being worth a few quid. M6 maybe. E61 550i another maybe.

I’ll allow the E92 M3 but that’s it.

E92 M3 had the last ever BMW NA engine, the only V8 M3, etc - the engine is definitely what will make it into a classic. But I don't think the m5/6 V10 has quite the same attraction - even though it really should. I'm not sure the M6 ever had much love? I can see the M5 touring being the classic.

Z4Ms are already firm money - they're a done deal classic.