Ineos Grenadier

[DaveE]

Just watched the Johnny Smith video on it. I actually quite like it and what they've done. But I just can't get my head around where the market is and whether it's big enough to sustain sales. Especially if they're going done the engineered to last approach.

I hope they do well though

Watched this too - some wonderfully thoughtful touches to make it super useful/useable

Can't help wonder the same though - and whether they've gone too far on those thoughtful touches

Very appealing though - almost makes me wish I had the need for one

[Holley]

I want to like it, but can't get passed...

- looking like a second hand car from the 90's
- 2.9 tonnes
- horrific MPG

If it's for commercial, surely a pick up is better and cheaper. If it's for personal, you'd think a defender is the better day to day car.

Having said that, I know of wealthy lawyer types (can't speak for Jobbo!) that would buy one just as a talking point with their mates.

[Swervin_Mervin]

If it's for personal, you'd think a defender is the better day to day car.

Apart from all the days when it's languishing at the dealer's in a queue of others waiting to be fixed?

[Holley]

If it's for personal, you'd think a defender is the better day to day car.

Apart from all the days when it's languishing at the dealer's in a queue of others waiting to be fixed?

Helps keep those miles down, better for resale

[mik]

I don’t get anything about it tbh.

I tried to watch the Jonny Smith test, but ended up skipping. Finished the 34min vid in about 4 mins - I don't desire one.

[Ascender]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

[ZedLeg]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

There are a lot of stories about bad seals (faulty rubber rather than aquatic mammals with switchblades) letting water in and messing with the electrics.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

JLR haven't learned anything in the last few decades about quality control so I can't imagine they've suddenly started

ETA: - when they shift as many of them as they do in the likes of Cheshire, I suppose you could see why maybe they wouldn't suddenly start bothering tbh.

[240PP]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

Someone on seloc managed to lock themselves in the back of a commercial one recently and had to be set free by a neighbour. Not sure JLR can be blamed for that or not.

[Rich B]

I don’t get anything about it tbh.

I tried to watch the Jonny Smith test, but ended up skipping. Finished the 34min vid in about 4 mins - I don't desire one.

it just looked like lots of stopping to press and hold buttons to change modes every 5 minutes whilst sat in a shitty driving position surrounded by more buttons to change modes. And lots of places to attach external lights.

[ZedLeg]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

Someone on seloc managed to lock themselves in the back of a commercial one recently and had to be set free by a neighbour. Not sure JLR can be blamed for that or not.

I thought cars had to have an emergency release inside the boot/hatch/barn door for exactly that situation.

[V8Granite]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

There are a lot of stories about bad seals (faulty rubber rather than aquatic mammals with switchblades) letting water in and messing with the electrics.

The door rattling about in the aperture like an old Citroen AX would instantly put me off.

I know 2 owners, one has an early diesel and his has had problems with the engine. The other one handed his back and got a replacement, no idea about the replacement.

I do think the Defender is a great car it’s just far too big.

Dave!

[Ascender]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

Someone on seloc managed to lock themselves in the back of a commercial one recently and had to be set free by a neighbour. Not sure JLR can be blamed for that or not.

Fantastic.

[DaveE]

I want to like it, but can't get passed...

- looking like a second hand car from the 90's
- 2.9 tonnes
- horrific MPG

If it's for commercial, surely a pick up is better and cheaper. If it's for personal, you'd think a defender is the better day to day car.

Having said that, I know of wealthy lawyer types (can't speak for Jobbo!) that would buy one just as a talking point with their mates.

Jeez!

Three tonnes?!

I had no idea.

I'm oot!

[Swervin_Mervin]

A new Defender is over 2.5t, for reference.

[240PP]

Are the new Defenders as unreliable as previous cars from the group or is it now just the default response when anybody asks what they're like?

Someone on seloc managed to lock themselves in the back of a commercial one recently and had to be set free by a neighbour. Not sure JLR can be blamed for that or not.

I thought cars had to have an emergency release inside the boot/hatch/barn door for exactly that situation.

I’ve just read the updated thread. He’s found it now..

A couple of people mentioned commercial vehicles don’t have to have them, which sounds mental but everyone on seloc is an expert on everything in the whole world so it’s definitely true.

[V8Granite]

The heaviest version is 2.8 tons, it’s certainly a big downside but also the reason it’ll be such a strong chassis and drivetrain.

Wasn’t it only Jag who were actually reducing the weight of their modern cars ?

Dave!

[Gavin]

There were a load of these parked in Kelso square a couple of week back, all Italian registered I think. Amazingly, my wife did not find my oral history of their conception to be that interesting!

[Ascender]

Watched the whole thing now and I do like the look of it and some of the practical touches like all of the places to hang/mount stuff and the pre-wired accessory points and fuses for future stuff is great. Apparently they're also making workshop manuals available and you can order spare parts direct to your door which sounds good.

It just exists in that weird space where even if I had the money spare, would I spend that much on something which would be getting bought to be a proper workhorse of a car?

[ZedLeg]

I had a look at the Defender configurator and my chosen spec was £65k so I guess they have the pricing about right on that front.

Hard to pick either of them as a working off roader when a hilux is £30k cheaper though.