Supercar Market Update

[SSO]

Just posted a new blog on the Supercar Market as of Jan 2021

The Hypercar bubble looks to be dead and gone.

https://karenable.com/supercar-hypercar ... uary-2021/

Comments?

Suggestions on great buys for 2021?

[RobYob]

Good read as always.

I think 4C fall into the "Lotus Paradox" comparatively low sales for a niche "everyman's" sportscar with interested parties waiting (and waiting) for depreciation which comes incredibly slowly.

I have a massive soft spot for Cizeta although I've not even seen one IRL. That blue one has a couple of recent YouTube videos on its sale and hopefully restoration.

[RobYob]

Oh and the theme of the week is HOLD apparently.

[Matty]

Been following the 4C market for a few years - I almost bought one before the Evora...but lets be honest, you'd be far better off with an ExigeS or Elise at that price point for multiple reasons....not least that they can throw some serious bills.

I still want one, however. Prices have been rock-solid. I almost agreed to an LE for £35k but someone else pipped me before I could get a deposit on it, and that was over 2 years ago, prices are a little higher now, a decent LE will set you back close to £40k. Suspect they won't change much as very few for sale.

[SSO]

Good read as always.

I think 4C fall into the "Lotus Paradox" comparatively low sales for a niche "everyman's" sportscar with interested parties waiting (and waiting) for depreciation which comes incredibly slowly.

I have a massive soft spot for Cizeta although I've not even seen one IRL. That blue one has a couple of recent YouTube videos on its sale and hopefully restoration.

Agree on the 4C, I would have thought they would have dropped more but they just haven't. I believe there are a number of specialists now the can sort the suspension and add a bit of power for a relatively reasonable cost which adds a lot of desirability.

On the Cizeta, interesting thing to see but I think owning it other than as garage candy would be a pretty horrible experience. I doubt its well sorted and finding someone to work on it would be nearly impossible.

[Rich B]

I remember there were briefly really cheap lease deals on the 4C. I still like them - they do have a presence to them.

[SSO]

I remember there were briefly really cheap lease deals on the 4C. I still like them - they do have a presence to them.

I think those days are long gone. If they drop a bit more, I would be very tempted to buy one.

[Rich B]

I remember there were briefly really cheap lease deals on the 4C. I still like them - they do have a presence to them.

I think those days are long gone. If they drop a bit more, I would be very tempted to buy one.

yeah, it was a very fleeting weird offer - it was seriously cheap too.

[Foz]

They have a seriously impressive little presence, I have only seen one and it looked great.

The engine tho!?

[McSwede]

They have a seriously impressive little presence, I have only seen one and it looked great.

The engine tho!?

Just for balance, I think they're bloody awful. I'd have Elise over one without a moment's thought.

[Rich B]

They have a seriously impressive little presence, I have only seen one and it looked great.

The engine tho!?

Just for balance, I think they're bloody awful. I'd have Elise over one without a moment's thought.

i think the general consensus from those who reviewed the was the same. They're still cool looking things though.

[SSO]

They have a seriously impressive little presence, I have only seen one and it looked great.

The engine tho!?

Just for balance, I think they're bloody awful. I'd have Elise over one without a moment's thought.

Yes but... the 4C does have a CF tub.

[SSO]

They have a seriously impressive little presence, I have only seen one and it looked great.

The engine tho!?

I think you can fit a few upgrades and get it up to a more respectable 300 bhp plus.

[Pete_]

A couple of years ago I said several times on here that the 4C was one of very few cars that I really lusted after. I still do, but I think the Alpine would probably win out for me now but I think I'd regret it for a while every time I saw a 4C.

[McSwede]

They have a seriously impressive little presence, I have only seen one and it looked great.

The engine tho!?

Just for balance, I think they're bloody awful. I'd have Elise over one without a moment's thought.

Yes but... the 4C does have a CF tub.

There's just something weird about its stance. It looks too wide for its wheelbase. Plus it comes with a pretty shitty engine.

[integrale_evo]

It’s not particularly tuneful but they go well and are easily tuned for loads more power.

Ok it’s not an exotic engine but with even Porsche sticking a 4pot in the far more upmarket boxster it was unlikely to ever get anything particularly special was it?

I doubt I’d ever own one but love how low and wide they look on the road. I’d take one over all the Elise variants bar an s1 exige or a supercharged v6 one.

[Mito Man]

There was a YouTuber that had one years ago in red with gold wheels which looked fab being driven at 100 mph down the Sloane Street drag strip.

I like them but the interior is horrible and by the time you fix the handling issues you’re close to £50,000 which is actual decent car money

[GG.]

Absolutely no idea why you’d buy one.

If you really want a performance Alfa buy a Giulia quattroformaggio
If you really want a four banger lightweight buy an Alpine or a Loltus.
If you really want a midengined car that sounds good and drives well, buy a 6cyl Boxster or Cayman.

I love Alfas and I loved my 156 as hilariously unreliable as it was but the allure of a Giulia with a Ferrari California engine less two cylinders is a no brainer compared to a jumped up farty fiat engined one, CF tub or not.

I REALLY cannot fathom a single reason why you’d buy one over a current V6 Exige on a total apples to apples basis.

[SSO]

Absolutely no idea why you’d buy one.

If you really want a performance Alfa buy a Giulia quattroformaggio
If you really want a four banger lightweight buy an Alpine or a Loltus.
If you really want a midengined car that sounds good and drives well, buy a 6cyl Boxster or Cayman.

I love Alfas and I loved my 156 as hilariously unreliable as it was but the allure of a Giulia with a Ferrari California engine less two cylinders is a no brainer compared to a jumped up farty fiat engined one, CF tub or not.

I REALLY cannot fathom a single reason why you’d buy one over a current V6 Exige on a total apples to apples basis.

Have to agree with your logic.

I did really like the 33 1.7QF I had years ago. Stunningly bad build quality but hilarious to drive.

[Matty]

If you really want a performance Alfa buy a Giulia quattroformaggio

Not really in the same class.

If you really want a four banger lightweight buy an Alpine or a Loltus.

I've had 4 Lotus's and I don't like the Alpine.

If you really want a midengined car that sounds good and drives well, buy a 6cyl Boxster or Cayman.

But then I'd be associated with "Porsche People"

Buying cars doesn't have to make sense you know if they did we'd all be driving economical Japanese saloons.