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Well, in the UK's 5G network at least. It'll be interesting to see how this and the HK situation pans out, but it's yet another fairly significant snub for China.

That said, 7 years to remove seems like a fecking long time to me*

*admittedly I know fack all about how extensive their existing integration into the UK's networks is though.

Its funny how they all of a sudden became spies?

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:52 pm Well, in the UK's 5G network at least. It'll be interesting to see how this and the HK situation pans out, but it's yet another fairly significant snub for China.

That said, 7 years to remove seems like a fecking long time to me*

*admittedly I know fack all about how extensive their existing integration into the UK's networks is though.

re 7 years

It's a fairly standard timeline for deprecating and replacing comms kit in a DC. It is usually pretty reliable and can be modular so doesn't age like server hardware does (3-5 year life cycle on that). So it means that new purchases will not be Huawei and anyone who has already purchased can get the value out of the kit they already own without a new spend. I would imagine that if they find anything in the meantime that timeline will accelerate to remove any vulnerabilities, they must deem it fairly low risk at the moment.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:52 pm
That said, 7 years to remove seems like a fecking long time to me*

*admittedly I know fack all about how extensive their existing integration into the UK's networks is though.

By then we'll have 6G, which will spread the next generation of COVID ever more effectively

Broccers wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Its funny how they all of a sudden became spies?

It’s not all of a sudden. There have been suspicions that they’ve been spying for the Chinese government since the company started.

ZedLeg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:53 pm

Broccers wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Its funny how they all of a sudden became spies?

It’s not all of a sudden. There have been suspicions that they’ve been spying for the Chinese government since the company started.

Is there a whoooooosh parrot smiley for this occasion>

Broccers wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Its funny how they all of a sudden became spies?

Been at it for ages, fascinating report here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -companies

unzippy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:57 am

Broccers wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Its funny how they all of a sudden became spies?

Been at it for ages, fascinating report here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -companies

They never proved the functionality of that alleged chip, did they?

Beany wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:04 am

unzippy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:57 am

Broccers wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Its funny how they all of a sudden became spies?

Been at it for ages, fascinating report here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -companies

They never proved the functionality of that alleged chip, did they?

It would be a great ruse to waste US time and money if they just put a chip on with no functionality.

The funny thing is, seemingly everyone's happy to tool about in Chinese built EVs, use Chinese made mobiles, watch TV on a Chinese made set, use Chinese made PCs and modems/routers...

They can quite easily shift production to say India or maybe we could be less of a throwaway society and have things made here?

One positive of the current economic situation is you realise the amount of stuff you don't need.

On this subject tho, we have chinese nuclear power stations in this country - bit late to worry about cyber warfare.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am The funny thing is, seemingly everyone's happy to tool about in Chinese built EVs, use Chinese made mobiles, watch TV on a Chinese made set, use Chinese made PCs and modems/routers...

and you don’t see the difference between that and having access to the full network?

Rich B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:08 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am The funny thing is, seemingly everyone's happy to tool about in Chinese built EVs, use Chinese made mobiles, watch TV on a Chinese made set, use Chinese made PCs and modems/routers...

and you don’t see the difference between that and having access to the full network?

No, of course I don't cos I'm fick innit?

I just find it interesting to see what level of potential intrusion is acceptable to the point of not even giving it a second thought.

And I'm sure all the US made kit in our networks is entirely without suspicion.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:16 am

Rich B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:08 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am The funny thing is, seemingly everyone's happy to tool about in Chinese built EVs, use Chinese made mobiles, watch TV on a Chinese made set, use Chinese made PCs and modems/routers...

and you don’t see the difference between that and having access to the full network?

No, of course I don't cos I'm fick innit?

I just find it interesting to see what level of potential intrusion is acceptable to the point of not even giving it a second thought.

having a Chinese made TV isn’t intrusive!

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:16 am

Rich B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:08 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am The funny thing is, seemingly everyone's happy to tool about in Chinese built EVs, use Chinese made mobiles, watch TV on a Chinese made set, use Chinese made PCs and modems/routers...

and you don’t see the difference between that and having access to the full network?

No, of course I don't cos I'm fick innit?

I just find it interesting to see what level of potential intrusion is acceptable to the point of not even giving it a second thought.

And I'm sure all the US made kit in our networks is entirely without suspicion.

Cisco have huge amounts of security advisories a year, many of which are review access related.

Huge amounts.

And that's the ones that are disclosed.

Beany wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:30 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:16 am

Rich B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:08 am and you don’t see the difference between that and having access to the full network?

No, of course I don't cos I'm fick innit?

I just find it interesting to see what level of potential intrusion is acceptable to the point of not even giving it a second thought.

And I'm sure all the US made kit in our networks is entirely without suspicion.

Cisco have huge amounts of security advisories a year, many of which are review access related.

Huge amounts.

And that's the ones that are disclosed.

That's ok though Beany 'cos we can trust the Yanks right?

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am The funny thing is, seemingly everyone's happy to tool about in Chinese built EVs, use Chinese made mobiles, watch TV on a Chinese made set, use Chinese made PCs and modems/routers...

The risk is amplified when (i) they are made by a company directly controlled by the Chinese state and (ii) they are part of systemic infrastructure. I think that's the key point.

To be honest though, given the level of data theft and cyber espionage, we should really be blacklisting all chinese made electronics. Obviously, from an economic perspective, that will not be possible but a ban on a limited number of state owned / controlled organisations like Huawei would be a good start.

I love my Huawei phone, thank you China.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:43 am

Beany wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:30 am

Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:16 am

No, of course I don't cos I'm fick innit?

I just find it interesting to see what level of potential intrusion is acceptable to the point of not even giving it a second thought.

And I'm sure all the US made kit in our networks is entirely without suspicion.

Cisco have huge amounts of security advisories a year, many of which are review access related.

Huge amounts.

And that's the ones that are disclosed.

That's ok though Beany 'cos we can trust the Yanks right?

America, FUCK YEAH

That, and we have more taps on underground network interconnects than B&Q.