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New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:28 am
by Zonda_
Keir Starmer. Don't know much about him but he came across pretty well in interviews I've seen.
Awaits comments informing me he is actually the anti-Christ....
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:36 am
by NotoriousREV
From what I know about him, I think he’s a decent bloke with a sensible head on his shoulders. I’m just not sure if he has the charisma to win over the public.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:45 am
by duncs500
I preferred Nandy, but he's ok AFAIK.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:11 pm
by NotoriousREV
I just always got the sense that Nandy was a bit gaffe-prone but couldn’t tell you why.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:32 pm
by Rich B
That was radio 4s favourite story until Corona - it’s hardly even been mentioned since. He was always the favourite though.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:38 pm
by ZedLeg
I would’ve quite liked Rebecca Long-Bailey to get it but it was always going to be Starmer.
A walk back towards the centre will probably gain them voters, just hope it doesn’t end up too New Labour.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:02 pm
by NotoriousREV
I wonder where all “Karl Marx was basically a Tory” ultra-left wankers are going to end up?
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:13 pm
by ZedLeg
I could see some sort of momentum left wing party trying to get going if Labour goes very noticeably towards the centre but Starmer has said that he’s going to try and balance it.
Hard to do when a lot on the left see the liberal centre as spineless bootlickers though
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:23 pm
by Jobbo
The right choice, makes them actually electable. But in the face of the massive Tory majority he has it all still to do.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:30 pm
by evostick
NotoriousREV wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:02 pm
I wonder where all “Karl Marx was basically a Tory” ultra-left wankers are going to end up?
Bedsits if they're lucky.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:33 pm
by PaulJ
Jobbo wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:23 pm
The right choice, makes them actually electable. But in the face of the massive Tory majority he has it all still to do.
Agreed. The last election was the first ever when I didn't vote Labour. (Threw it away on a Lib-Dem lost deposit candidate). If Jeremy C had been successful I'd have expected to be shot at dawn as a Porsche driving Rolex wearer.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:08 pm
by NotoriousREV
I see the internal fighting has already started in earnest on Twitter. I’ve seen a couple of tweets calling Starmer “Tory Boy”. You never see Conservatives calling members of their own party “basically Marxist” do you? And that’s why the left will always be a joke to so many people. They’re not just divided, they’re stratified.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:13 pm
by Broccers
I think he's a good choice.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:17 pm
by Mito Man
Well he ain’t a terrorist sympathising extremist supporting Marxist cunt so may do alright.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:39 pm
by Broccers
He's more central and that for me is good which keeps the current mob more in line.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:53 pm
by NotoriousREV
Broccers wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:39 pm
He's more central and that for me is good which keeps the current mob more in line.
We’ve missed having an effective opposition, that’s for damm sure.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:53 am
by Gavin
Apparently he was the man who decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Jimmy Savile. He has a hard job, given the like of Margaret Hodge and Jess Phillips seem to exist entirely to try and destroy from within.
If Starmer was serious, he should kick out all the back stabbers, same as De Pfeffel did with the moderates. It is a shame as Starmer screams New Labour and his voting record is not too good, from a lefty point of view.
So the choice next election, in England, may well be Right Wing or Centrist!
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:56 am
by Rich B
Gavin wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:53 am
Apparently he was the man who decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Jimmy Savile. He has a hard job, given the like of Margaret Hodge and Jess Phillips seem to exist entirely to try and destroy from within.
If Starmer was serious, he should kick out all the back stabbers, same as De Pfeffel did with the moderates. It is a shame as Starmer screams New Labour and his voting record is not too good, from a lefty point of view.
So the choice next election, in England, may well be Right Wing or Centrist!
Thats one more option than you had this time round.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:05 am
by Mito Man
Not sure Gavin is ever happy unless we go full communist left.
Re: New Labour leader
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:16 am
by duncs500
Rich B wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:56 am
Gavin wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:53 am
Apparently he was the man who decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Jimmy Savile. He has a hard job, given the like of Margaret Hodge and Jess Phillips seem to exist entirely to try and destroy from within.
If Starmer was serious, he should kick out all the back stabbers, same as De Pfeffel did with the moderates. It is a shame as Starmer screams New Labour and his voting record is not too good, from a lefty point of view.
So the choice next election, in England, may well be Right Wing or Centrist!
Thats one more option than you had this time round.