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Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:15 pm
by Orange Cola
I’ve just been reading another article on this, sounds like the CEO has had his hand in the pension fund :o

https://www.visordown.com/news/industry ... t’-factory

https://www.superbike.co.uk/article/nor ... -the-start

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:17 pm
by NotoriousREV
Orange Cola wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:15 pm I’ve just been reading another article on this, sounds like the CEO has had his hand in the pension fund :o

https://www.visordown.com/news/industry ... t’-factory

https://www.superbike.co.uk/article/nor ... -the-start
Several pension funds, government loans and subsidies, tax money and good old fraudulent accounting. Stuart Garner is an out and out criminal, it seems.

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:22 pm
by NotoriousREV
Not forgetting that there are, I think, 20 people who had bikes that had gone back to the factory for warranty work (paint, mainly) that were then stripped and those parts used to convince other customers that there bikes were in progress, in order to get them to release the next stage of their payment. One guy managed to get his frame and engine back (he paid £44k for the bike).

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:32 pm
by Orange Cola
Utter, utter cunt. And there are some very questionable characters in the biking world who wouldn’t think twice about doing time to equalise with him, he’s just got to hope he hasn’t scammed one of them.

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:43 pm
by NotoriousREV
Well John McGuiness isn’t happy for starters...

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:59 pm
by evostick
Flogging all the branded clothing ATM. Mostly just fashion shite (Pepe Jeans co. makes it) by the looks but heavily discounted.

Apparently if you pay up front it does actually arrive

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:50 pm
by tim
My mate has an all-carbon V4SS, paid £44k up front 3 years ago for it and actually got it late last year. Had to go back to the factory for warranty the week before they went bust, but thankfully he got it back from the receiver intact (and actually fixed) last week.

Its a fucked up situation and I hope Garner goes to prison for a long time.

I hadn't realised he'd also fucked over the legends that were Spondon too. Cunt.

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:30 pm
by Barry
My mate went down there earlier in the year after basically telling them to get his bike ready, or else. I suspect his was built from some other poor buggers bikes now.

Some questions to be answered at Gov level too, it seems. :roll:

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:05 pm
by Orange Cola
Massive stitch up, he will either disappear or do some time inside then come out to a hidden fortune.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ns-hearing

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:00 am
by Orange Cola
Ordered to pay back the money, like that’s going to happen. Didn’t realise Norton was bought in April either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... um=custom7

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:30 pm
by Beany

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:50 pm
by mik
That’s a pay link Beany

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:51 pm
by Jobbo
mik wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:50 pm That’s a pay link Beany
No it's not - the Guardian doesn't charge. You don't even need to set up an account.

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:01 pm
by mik
Well that’s weird - I went back in and could read it this time.

Glitch in the matrix?

Re: Norton Motorcycles

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:05 pm
by dinny_g
Jobbo wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:51 pm
mik wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:50 pm That’s a pay link Beany
No it's not - the Guardian doesn't charge. You don't even need to set up an account.
It's partial Jobbo - I think you have a certain number of free articles per month and then certain articles are blocked - Normally the Opinion pieces .

EDIT - :oops: you can click on I'll do it later... :oops:

Heres' the article:

Norton Motorcycles ex-owner ordered to pay back missing £14m in pensions
Stuart Garner denied permission to appeal ombudsman’s ruling on repaying funds

Norton Motorcycles went into administration in January. Photograph: Bloomberg/Bloomberg via Getty Images
The former owner of Norton Motorcycles will be forced to pay back about £14m missing from the company’s employee retirement fund, after being refused permission to appeal against a pensions ombudsman’s ruling.

Stuart Garner, who acquired the classic marque in 2008 and was feted for years by a series of UK government ministers, was told by the regulator in June to refund three retirement funds he controlled as trustee, following an ombudsman ruling that he had acted dishonestly.

The ombudsman’s decision followed an investigation triggered by claims brought by 30 members that Garner had repeatedly failed to return their funds when they were due. The Pension Schemes Act requires trustees to transfer pensions within six months of an application.

The court’s refusal to entertain Garner’s request to appeal is another blow for the businessman, who appears to have been pushed a step closer to personal bankruptcy.

He is already the subject of a personal bankruptcy petition filed by Leicester city council.

The repayment of the £14m to the pension holders, the vast majority of whom were never Norton employees, had been on hold while the court considered Garner’s request for permission to appeal.

In an August order delaying the payment, Mr Justice Fancourt said: “The sum likely to be payable … is extremely large and it is readily understandable that [Garner] will not be able to pay it and that, as a result, he is liable to be made bankrupt.”

In his latest judgment refusing an appeal, however, Fancourt stated: “There could have been no good reason to delay the payment of compensation unless there was compelling evidence that it would be provided by other means within the timescale specified by the ombudsman.”

Garner has been granted permission to appeal against a further £180,000 in distress payments to 30 of the scheme’s 228 members, to whom he had repeatedly failed to return funds when they were due.

The businessman’s law firm said: “Mr Garner has been granted permission to appeal the inconvenience award, and has renewed his application for permission to appeal in respect of the refusal.”

Garner, who was the trustee of three Norton pension funds, invested all of the members’ savings into his own company, but Norton slumped into administration on 29 January.

The ombudsman’s determination in the summer stated: “The trustee has acted dishonestly and in breach of his duty of no conflict, his duty not to profit and his duty to act with prudence.”

The decision followed a Guardian and ITV News investigation in January that showed how 228 “ordinary working people” had had their entire pension pots invested into Norton shares after they had been duped by a fraudster.

Garner received the retirement savings during 2012 and 2013, after a scam that resulted in a promoter, Simon Colfer, being convicted of fraud in 2018 for the way he had sold the scheme.

Two further Garner associates involved in setting up the Norton pensions schemes, Andrew Meeson and Peter Bradley, were convicted of a separate tax fraud in 2013, when they reclaimed £5m of tax rebates from fictitious pension contributions.

Court documents from that trial show that £990,000 of the fraud proceeds were loaned to Garner to acquire Norton in 2008. Garner denies wrongdoing and has said he considers himself a victim because he did not know he was dealing with fraudsters.