DeskJockey wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:51 am
Is it positive that we can more easily ship meat halfway across the world? Fairly sure they've got both sheep and cows in Japan already.
That'll be another negative of Brexit: the environmental cost of all the supposedly amazing trade we'll be doing with places much further away than we do now.
Is it a positive that the EU can more easily ship meat halfway across the world?
You think the EU is a paradise of virtuous environmentalists? That's a very long discussion!
Never claimed they were. You posted it as a positive story, I took a different view and would have irrespective of Brexit.
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:51 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
It saves a few whales if that makes you feel any better?
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:51 pm
by evostick
It's not like the emotive subject of brexit has ever clouded anyone's reasonable judgement of a situation is it now?
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:54 pm
by DeskJockey
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:51 pm
It saves a few whales if that makes you feel any better?
Does it? My point is serious. In the interest of trade we ship things all over the world (including bottled water for goodness sake) for no other reason than it can be sold a fraction cheaper or as being exotic/different despite having been transported thousands of miles.
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:05 pm
by Jobbo
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:41 pm
This is quite eye-opening, but not reported in the mainstream media at all (this is the shortened version):
Tusk offered an advanced FTA at the outset, but May and her team scuppered it:
Reported here back in March 2018 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5424493 - Tusk 'hoped for' but did not offer an advanced FTA. In fact, it was expressly outside the EU's negotiating mandate so the only basis on which it could come about is after we have left the EU.
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:51 pm
It saves a few whales if that makes you feel any better?
Does it? My point is serious. In the interest of trade we ship things all over the world (including bottled water for goodness sake) for no other reason than it can be sold a fraction cheaper or as being exotic/different despite having been transported thousands of miles.
It would seem that whale meat is no longer one of the primary sources of animal-derived protein for the Japanese, and that they're increasingly turning to traditional western animal meat sources such as sheep, goats and cows.
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:51 pm
It saves a few whales if that makes you feel any better?
Does it? My point is serious. In the interest of trade we ship things all over the world (including bottled water for goodness sake) for no other reason than it can be sold a fraction cheaper or as being exotic/different despite having been transported thousands of miles.
It would seem that whale meat is no longer one of the primary sources of animal-derived protein for the Japanese, and that they're increasingly turning to traditional western animal meat sources such as sheep, goats and cows.
Is it positive that we can more easily ship meat halfway across the world? Fairly sure they've got both sheep and cows in Japan already.
That'll be another negative of Brexit: the environmental cost of all the supposedly amazing trade we'll be doing with places much further away than we do now.
Brexit killed my planet.
Shipping all of our plastic waste to China and India to be sorted through by the desperately poor - that’s fine though - cos environmental innit!
Does it? My point is serious. In the interest of trade we ship things all over the world (including bottled water for goodness sake) for no other reason than it can be sold a fraction cheaper or as being exotic/different despite having been transported thousands of miles.
It would seem that whale meat is no longer one of the primary sources of animal-derived protein for the Japanese, and that they're increasingly turning to traditional western animal meat sources such as sheep, goats and cows.
But does the meat need to come from the UK?
Apparently so, otherwise why would they have signed a trade agreement?
Genuine question this, and not a slight, but is this a major issue for your conscience to wrestle with, given that the EU (in its current form at least) forms a big part of the globalised economy and trade?
Globalisation has always been one of Corbyn's primary issues with the EU, and it used to be the case for the Green Party as well (one of their major targets) before they silently switched from being distinctly anti to pro-EU
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:41 pm
This is quite eye-opening, but not reported in the mainstream media at all (this is the shortened version):
Tusk offered an advanced FTA at the outset, but May and her team scuppered it:
Reported here back in March 2018 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5424493 - Tusk 'hoped for' but did not offer an advanced FTA. In fact, it was expressly outside the EU's negotiating mandate so the only basis on which it could come about is after we have left the EU.
Ta for that. It at least sounds like it was on the table, albeit appreciate that it would have had little bearing on the WA. I certianly don't recall it being widely reported at the time though, but then my memory's exactly as it used to be (shite).
Does it? My point is serious. In the interest of trade we ship things all over the world (including bottled water for goodness sake) for no other reason than it can be sold a fraction cheaper or as being exotic/different despite having been transported thousands of miles.
It would seem that whale meat is no longer one of the primary sources of animal-derived protein for the Japanese, and that they're increasingly turning to traditional western animal meat sources such as sheep, goats and cows.
But does the meat need to come from the UK?
They want quality and that’s hard to get in Asia. All the meat I get in Bangladesh is oriole stuff and very badly looked after.
Also I think there will be a lot of “British Beef” signs going up when it arrives.
It would seem that whale meat is no longer one of the primary sources of animal-derived protein for the Japanese, and that they're increasingly turning to traditional western animal meat sources such as sheep, goats and cows.
But does the meat need to come from the UK?
Apparently so, otherwise why would they have signed a trade agreement?
Genuine question this, and not a slight, but is this a major issue for your conscience to wrestle with, given that the EU (in its current form at least) forms a big part of the globalised economy and trade?
Globalisation has always been one of Corbyn's primary issues with the EU, and it used to be the case for the Green Party as well (one of their major targets) before they silently switched from being distinctly anti to pro-EU
It isn't a conscience thing, but a grave concern. Climate change is happening and Brexit will potentially add to making it worse by having goods travelling further. The EU are also culpable, but if we end up on the outside, they're certainly not going to listen to us when it comes time to find alternative ways of doing things. Short term Britain may realise a small financial benefit from shipping meat, but at the cost of the environment.
It would seem that whale meat is no longer one of the primary sources of animal-derived protein for the Japanese, and that they're increasingly turning to traditional western animal meat sources such as sheep, goats and cows.
But does the meat need to come from the UK?
They want quality and that’s hard to get in Asia. All the meat I get in Bangladesh is oriole stuff and very badly looked after.
Also I think there will be a lot of “British Beef” signs going up when it arrives.
Dave!
Don't think that applies to Japan though. But even if it did, the more sustainable option would be to teach them animal husbandry instead.
They want quality and that’s hard to get in Asia. All the meat I get in Bangladesh is oriole stuff and very badly looked after.
Also I think there will be a lot of “British Beef” signs going up when it arrives.
Dave!
Don't think that applies to Japan though. But even if it did, the more sustainable option would be to teach them animal husbandry instead.
They know how to look after animals, I think they could teach us a thing or two. I guess they just can’t make it on the scale they want ?
Dave!
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:26 pm
by Mito Man
I think it’s just the value of being British in all honesty. Japan know how to make quality produce, they have the best alcohol, fruit and meat but as soon as you go out to the East you see “Made in the UK” plastered over the requisite products as there’s a perceived notion of quality and luxury with it.
They want quality and that’s hard to get in Asia. All the meat I get in Bangladesh is oriole stuff and very badly looked after.
Also I think there will be a lot of “British Beef” signs going up when it arrives.
Dave!
Don't think that applies to Japan though. But even if it did, the more sustainable option would be to teach them animal husbandry instead.
They know how to look after animals, I think they could teach us a thing or two. I guess they just can’t make it on the scale they want ?
Dave!
Possibly (agree on the husbandry front), but there are still closer sources. Sydney is less than a third of the distance from London, Auckland well under half.
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:35 pm
by V8Granite
Does Australia not have quite terrible ways they transport cattle though? I can’t remember where I heard it so it may be some green peace rubbish from somewhere?
As a nation we could learn a huge amount from Sweden and I find it very strange that this isn’t talked about more. The rubbish we throw in tips and dumps is crazy.
This is for another thread though!!
Dave!
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:47 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
Dave,
It is another discussion, but we don't really throw much in tips anymore. It's why landfills are now in need of (controversial) planning permission extensions - they're not being filled. Nor are new ones being granted.
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:37 pm
by Beany
Six months ago:
Today:
Re: Bye bye Theresa
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:40 pm
by NotoriousREV
It's the EUs fault for signing an FTA with Japan and absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
