Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:07 pm
he was there about half an hour before the cyclist got there. Oh my, you had to stop pedalling a little to allow another road user to turn.
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Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:38 pm
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:41 pm
I'm coming around to the cyclists POV on this. He's somewhat self-righteous about the situation, however, the LFB vehicle did cross a giveaway line into the path of a more vulnerable road user. I fully acknowledge that the LFB vehicle had trouble seeing the cyclist who was in the blind spot, which is largely down to road design, but the cyclist is still nonetheless correct. Given the massive rise in segregated cycle lanes that feature these kinds of priorities on side roads, there needs to be a lot more education for drivers about how to deal with these junctions and rights of ways, especially in cities.
Something that I regularly see as a cyclist on these side-road junctions is that I will slow, or stop to allow a vehicle to cross, as many of you are suggesting this guy should have done. Most cyclists will not do that. Quite often I will slow to give a vehicle turning left some space to manoeuvre, and while I've slowed down or stopped, a whole bunch of other cyclists will whizz past me, right up the inside of the vehicle. In those instances I had the right way and tried to be courteous, but it would have been quicker and less confusing for everyone if I'd just carried on with my right of way.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:37 am
I’d say he’s right to hold back, However neither should be in the road as they ignore the more vulnerable road user patiently waiting at the zebra crossing at the start of the video
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:19 am
Beardy bloke moved to Deptford for a cheap house and now wants everyone to die as a result 
This is quite common, I've had similar happen to me. They didn't call me called scared, just people getting pissed off at being held up and telling me to get out the way. Nowadays I leave a gap so that death-seekers can overtake me and whizz up the inside of whatever HGVs suits them.
This is quite common, I've had similar happen to me. They didn't call me called scared, just people getting pissed off at being held up and telling me to get out the way. Nowadays I leave a gap so that death-seekers can overtake me and whizz up the inside of whatever HGVs suits them.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:36 am
It's a pretty tight space, and the truck will need to continue steering left just to stay in it's lane, so as there is potential for that space to become narrower when the truck moves - the caution feels quite fair.jamcg wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:37 am <not going down the inside of the truck vid>
I’d say he’s right to hold back.
What Gav said though - some people are just dicks - save yourself the hassle by leaving them space to take stoopid risks.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:37 am
If you no longer go for a gap that exists are you really a cyclist?
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:52 am
I will hand back my Cinelli cap and never show my face again.Mito Man wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:37 am If you no longer go for a gap that exists are you really a cyclist?
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:38 am
https://x.com/krtn_will/status/17765243 ... ZkhQRDFknw
Bare-ly any gap left, he forces riders to be exposed to more danger. He could have easily been in a bum-p. Willy ever learn to not park in bike lanes? Na-kedsideration for other road users.
(That last one was pushing my luck).
Bare-ly any gap left, he forces riders to be exposed to more danger. He could have easily been in a bum-p. Willy ever learn to not park in bike lanes? Na-kedsideration for other road users.
(That last one was pushing my luck).
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:46 am
Who nude?
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:48 am
That shows a lot of balls.Rich B wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:38 am https://x.com/krtn_will/status/17765243 ... ZkhQRDFknw
Bare-ly any gap left, he forces riders to be exposed to more danger. He could have easily been in a bum-p. Willy ever learn to not park in bike lanes? Na-kedsideration for other road users.
(That last one was pushing my luck).
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:53 am
No aggression from him though - seems quite a genital natured rider.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:11 am
I’ve never seen the appeal of naked cycling tbh. The risk of sitting on yourself is too damn high.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:45 am
I wonder if there’s a saddle?
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:08 pm
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:13 pm
No no no no no, don’t you dare turn into a Fanny poodle.Gavster wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:41 pmI'm coming around to the cyclists POV on this. He's somewhat self-righteous about the situation, however, the LFB vehicle did cross a giveaway line into the path of a more vulnerable road user. I fully acknowledge that the LFB vehicle had trouble seeing the cyclist who was in the blind spot, which is largely down to road design, but the cyclist is still nonetheless correct. Given the massive rise in segregated cycle lanes that feature these kinds of priorities on side roads, there needs to be a lot more education for drivers about how to deal with these junctions and rights of ways, especially in cities.
Something that I regularly see as a cyclist on these side-road junctions is that I will slow, or stop to allow a vehicle to cross, as many of you are suggesting this guy should have done. Most cyclists will not do that. Quite often I will slow to give a vehicle turning left some space to manoeuvre, and while I've slowed down or stopped, a whole bunch of other cyclists will whizz past me, right up the inside of the vehicle. In those instances I had the right way and tried to be courteous, but it would have been quicker and less confusing for everyone if I'd just carried on with my right of way.
A situation is occurring in front that a tiny change in your action can provide overall smooth sailing.
The instant you assume that you trump all else you turn into a Fanny Poodle.
Then comes Wazzock.
Soon to be followed by Twatsock.
Before you know it, you’re in a parade shouting at someone for drinking the wrong kind of milk.
Dave!
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:30 pm
Gav is correct though - as is the cyclist. The junction requires the drivers in both cases to give way, and they failed to do so. Ergo they are in the wrong.V8Granite wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:13 pmNo no no no no, don’t you dare turn into a Fanny poodle.Gavster wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:41 pmI'm coming around to the cyclists POV on this. He's somewhat self-righteous about the situation, however, the LFB vehicle did cross a giveaway line into the path of a more vulnerable road user. I fully acknowledge that the LFB vehicle had trouble seeing the cyclist who was in the blind spot, which is largely down to road design, but the cyclist is still nonetheless correct. Given the massive rise in segregated cycle lanes that feature these kinds of priorities on side roads, there needs to be a lot more education for drivers about how to deal with these junctions and rights of ways, especially in cities.
Something that I regularly see as a cyclist on these side-road junctions is that I will slow, or stop to allow a vehicle to cross, as many of you are suggesting this guy should have done. Most cyclists will not do that. Quite often I will slow to give a vehicle turning left some space to manoeuvre, and while I've slowed down or stopped, a whole bunch of other cyclists will whizz past me, right up the inside of the vehicle. In those instances I had the right way and tried to be courteous, but it would have been quicker and less confusing for everyone if I'd just carried on with my right of way.
A situation is occurring in front that a tiny change in your action can provide overall smooth sailing.
The instant you assume that you trump all else you turn into a Fanny Poodle.
Then comes Wazzock.
Soon to be followed by Twatsock.
Before you know it, you’re in a parade shouting at someone for drinking the wrong kind of milk.
Dave!
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:36 pm
It's this for me. In both of those Greg_N twitter vids the junction design (limited by available space of course) requires vehicles to negotiate a give-way line 5m (estimate) after turning off of one road and onto another. I'm not going to suggest this has never been seen before, but it's certainly far from the norm, and by design it requires long vehicles to completely block the carriageways they have just attempted to exit whilst they wait at the Give Way.Gavster wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:41 pm Given the massive rise in segregated cycle lanes that feature these kinds of priorities on side roads, there needs to be a lot more education for drivers about how to deal with these junctions and rights of ways, especially in cities.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:20 pm
It's very similar indeed to Amsterdam, where you often also have a tram line down the middle. It just takes a moment's thought to realise cars and trucks are not special and have no priority over others. Maybe a larger number of cyclists means drivers don't get complacent.
Re: It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:22 pm
In general, London drivers are far more courteous and aware of cyclists than they are in the provinces.