Coronavirus

[duncs500]

Saw one of my mates at the weekend who has just got over a really severe bout of it having had it before (a couple of times IIRC) without much issue. Seems like there is a really nasty strain going around.

[dinny_g]

Are we all just running out of vaccine cover so getting worse doses??

To be fair, I still haven’t had it at all (I think)

[duncs500]

Are we all just running out of vaccine cover so getting worse doses??

To be fair, I still haven’t had it at all (I think)

I think it's more than that, covid used to be a one week deal, he was out of action for two weeks (think he said he tested positive for 13 days too). And he's only earns when he works, so was desperate to get back.

[Explosive Newt]

I was talking to a colleague from AstraZeneca who said they had been finding that the antibodies wane after a few months but the T-cell mediated stuff remaining. I wonder if this is why we seem to be seeing a big wave of people getting infected but fewer finding their way to hospital now.

I myself just picked it up last week and felt grotty for a few days before making a recovery in time to get roasted by the weather... definitely fatigue and tiredness were the last things to shift although I had a strange double dip phenomenon that a lot of people mention of a delayed immune phase 7-10 days later after the initial infection - very achey and a low grade temp a few days after clearing the initial infection, fortunately only lasting a day.

@Nefarious We've seen a bit of covid encephalitis and covid meningitis of late. Sounds like you may have had similar? Or, of course, other viruses are available (I'm guessing you didn't test). In any case, I hope you are on the mend because that's all rather unpleasant.

[Nefarious]

@Nefarious We've seen a bit of covid encephalitis and covid meningitis of late. Sounds like you may have had similar? Or, of course, other viruses are available (I'm guessing you didn't test). In any case, I hope you are on the mend because that's all rather unpleasant.

Does that mean two infections at once, or a covid infection presenting with encephalitis/meningitis symptoms?

The little one did 2 lateral flow tests in the period we were "well" - both positive, so we assumed that we were all positive.

Any suggestions on an explanation for getting well and then ill again immediately? We were a little concerned because a friend who is now suffering long covid described an identical pattern when he was initially infected.

[Broccers]

As I've stayed off the subject for a while a little update on my dad.

He still isnt back to normal and the drugs they are giving him make his life a bit shit sometimes. Anyway because of this I firmly suggested not having any other jabs, like the booster, and after discussions with 2 consultants they agreed that in some people the 'jab' isn't the best way forward. I'll not hold my breath waiting for the publication of how many older folk got killed from it stopping their kidneys tho.

I certainly wont be having any other 'jabs' relating to this nonsense.

[Explosive Newt]

@Nefarious We've seen a bit of covid encephalitis and covid meningitis of late. Sounds like you may have had similar? Or, of course, other viruses are available (I'm guessing you didn't test). In any case, I hope you are on the mend because that's all rather unpleasant.

Does that mean two infections at once, or a covid infection presenting with encephalitis/meningitis symptoms?

The little one did 2 lateral flow tests in the period we were "well" - both positive, so we assumed that we were all positive.

Any suggestions on an explanation for getting well and then ill again immediately? We were a little concerned because a friend who is now suffering long covid described an identical pattern when he was initially infected.

The latter (covid causing a nervous system infection) - we saw it more with the previous variants though. Omicron is predominantly an upper respiratory tract infection (nose and throat - it is more attracted to the ACE receptors on these cells) - so causes “head cold” symptoms mostly, but also why it spreads more easily. It also occurs to me that you might have had a secondary sinusitis rather than encephalitis - probably more common.

The 2 phases thing is a bit harder to pin down. The previous variants seemed to do this - an initial coldlike phase caused by the viral infection itself, then 7-10 days later an immune over-activity phase, with the virus actually gone but your immune system over active, causing the lung inflammation that put people in ICU.

Now covid doesn’t seem to be doing this, or at least does it quite mildly, hence we aren’t seeing the ICU admissions (although anecdotally some people seem to complain of feeling a bit achey a few days after an apparent recovery). This is probably the vaccine modifying immune responses to the virus as the ones still pitching up in ICU tend to be the unvaccinated.

What you are describing fits with this second phase but I don’t know the link with long covid. I would hazard a guess it’s where that inflammation never dies down, so if you are making recoveries now then the outlook is probably good.

[Explosive Newt]

As I've stayed off the subject for a while a little update on my dad.

He still isnt back to normal and the drugs they are giving him make his life a bit shit sometimes. Anyway because of this I firmly suggested not having any other jabs, like the booster, and after discussions with 2 consultants they agreed that in some people the 'jab' isn't the best way forward. I'll not hold my breath waiting for the publication of how many older folk got killed from it stopping their kidneys tho.

I certainly wont be having any other 'jabs' relating to this nonsense.

I’m sorry he (and you) have had such a bad time. Is he still having dialysis?

There are more options available for those who can’t get / respond to vaccines - the immunoglobulin infusions are a real game changer here.

[davecG60]

Thanks for the replies folks, it all helps.

Manager seems ok with it all. He's dealt with posties previously with the same foot problem and knew about estimated recovery spans etc ( 6 - 18 months )
As for sorting the gossip out straight away @Beany from what he said it was sorted as soon as it was heard and was a one off. Nobody has come forward to say it was them and ask questions about my diagnosis ( which is the bit I'm struggling with), In a way I wish my manager had not warned me about the gossip, at least I wouldn't have had to deal with my anxiety / paranoia as much. Understand his reasons though totally.

@dinny_g As a ex-teacher my wife's FB is fully locked down (as is mine) so only people on our immediate friends list would have seen the post.

Sorry to hear what your wife is going through @jamcg - sounds horrendous. I had to deal with the idle gossips when I was off after my breakdown(s) . I need to be out in the hills alone ( to clear my head) and was often spoken about when off. Obviously as I was fit enough to do a 10 mile hike I was fit enough to work ! As you say unless you have a plastercast on the broken part of your body you are deemed fit by the unqualified GPs of work _ don't think a cast on my head work help it much

As I've always been open about all my health issues and have spoken at length to colleagues about it all, I struggle to logically see why somebody who is supposed to be a "friend" would then spread gossip about me? I may well be too nice and naive about folk - I do tend just to see the positive in people, perhaps I should presume all people are cnuts until proven otherwise?

@Explosive Newt Very interesting to hear about how the different variants are attacking people. I certainly think I suffered so badly due to being so run down at the time I got infected - a perfect storm for attacking me.

@John 97.6% yes vote not too shabby

[dinny_g]

@dinny_g As a ex-teacher my wife's FB is fully locked down (as is mine) so only people on our immediate friends list would have seen the post.

Sorry to hear that Dave - that does suck balls...

You need to do a Colleen Rooney now, become Dogitha Christie and out them..

[davecG60]

@dinny_g As a ex-teacher my wife's FB is fully locked down (as is mine) so only people on our immediate friends list would have seen the post.

You need to do a Colleen Rooney now, become Dogitha Christie and out them..

That's part of the problem I guess. I want to know who it was but I don't. If I knew then I could ask why they did it and then (as I've done with other poisonous people there) ignore them forever after. But I know I couldn't deal with the conflict and stress of that. But then I'd know who it was and not just suspect every single person at work. Each is as bad as the other I guess, but after time i may stop suspecting everyone so will have saved the stress of dealing with the problem but then not got an answer - round and round it goes

[Beany]

I think at some point you have to chuck it in the fuck-it bucket and accept that some people are just twats, and that's it's own punishment in life.

[Explosive Newt]

Manager seems ok with it all. He's dealt with posties previously with the same foot problem and knew about estimated recovery spans etc ( 6 - 18 months )
As for sorting the gossip out straight away @Beany from what he said it was sorted as soon as it was heard and was a one off. Nobody has come forward to say it was them and ask questions about my diagnosis ( which is the bit I'm struggling with), In a way I wish my manager had not warned me about the gossip, at least I wouldn't have had to deal with my anxiety / paranoia as much. Understand his reasons though totally.

I think you have to chalk it up to someone acting out of character and move on. People sometimes do things because they have had a crappy day or something else affected them and act up. It seems like it has come to nothing - like you say it would have been better if the manager hadn't mentioned it but ho hum.

[Broccers]

As I've stayed off the subject for a while a little update on my dad.

He still isnt back to normal and the drugs they are giving him make his life a bit shit sometimes. Anyway because of this I firmly suggested not having any other jabs, like the booster, and after discussions with 2 consultants they agreed that in some people the 'jab' isn't the best way forward. I'll not hold my breath waiting for the publication of how many older folk got killed from it stopping their kidneys tho.

I certainly wont be having any other 'jabs' relating to this nonsense.

I’m sorry he (and you) have had such a bad time. Is he still having dialysis?

There are more options available for those who can’t get / respond to vaccines - the immunoglobulin infusions are a real game changer here.

No, but the steroids which keep the kidneys going. Thanks for the suggestion

Quite a lot of people saying they wont have another jab. Wonder what winter will look like - getting to the surgery will be costly for some.

[Nefarious]

@Nefarious We've seen a bit of covid encephalitis and covid meningitis of late. Sounds like you may have had similar? Or, of course, other viruses are available (I'm guessing you didn't test). In any case, I hope you are on the mend because that's all rather unpleasant.

Does that mean two infections at once, or a covid infection presenting with encephalitis/meningitis symptoms?

The little one did 2 lateral flow tests in the period we were "well" - both positive, so we assumed that we were all positive.

Any suggestions on an explanation for getting well and then ill again immediately? We were a little concerned because a friend who is now suffering long covid described an identical pattern when he was initially infected.

The latter (covid causing a nervous system infection) - we saw it more with the previous variants though. Omicron is predominantly an upper respiratory tract infection (nose and throat - it is more attracted to the ACE receptors on these cells) - so causes “head cold” symptoms mostly, but also why it spreads more easily. It also occurs to me that you might have had a secondary sinusitis rather than encephalitis - probably more common.

The 2 phases thing is a bit harder to pin down. The previous variants seemed to do this - an initial coldlike phase caused by the viral infection itself, then 7-10 days later an immune over-activity phase, with the virus actually gone but your immune system over active, causing the lung inflammation that put people in ICU.

Now covid doesn’t seem to be doing this, or at least does it quite mildly, hence we aren’t seeing the ICU admissions (although anecdotally some people seem to complain of feeling a bit achey a few days after an apparent recovery). This is probably the vaccine modifying immune responses to the virus as the ones still pitching up in ICU tend to be the unvaccinated.

What you are describing fits with this second phase but I don’t know the link with long covid. I would hazard a guess it’s where that inflammation never dies down, so if you are making recoveries now then the outlook is probably good.

Ta for the info. That makes a lot of sense.

[Broccers]

I am SHOCKED, I really am by this 'news'

[Jobbo]

Even you have used quotes around 'news', so presumably don't believe it. It's obviously rubbish, hence the use of 'feared to be' in the headline rather than actual evidence, and the very vague 'Lockdown effects' when we haven't had any form of restrictions, let alone a full lockdown, for 6 months.

[Broccers]

It's not news as was obvious in the first place.

Just waiting for the MSM to report the jab death figures

[Simon]

All 3 of us down with it at the moment. Wife came down first on Monday after being lethargic for a few days, now the rest of us have it. It's not nice, despite vax etc.

Even the cat isn't herself!

[speedingfine]

Have you had it before Simon?