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I’m actually interested in that. Have Caymen and Boxster sales actually decreased since they went to 4 cylinders?
It’s doubly sad all other manufacturers including Porsche themselves have managed to continue building 6 cylinder and larger engines despite the more stringent emissions limits.
It’s doubly sad all other manufacturers including Porsche themselves have managed to continue building 6 cylinder and larger engines despite the more stringent emissions limits.
How about not having a sig at all?
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I'd heard it a few places - including by Nick Murray.
This Jalopnik article (https://jalopnik.com/at-least-porsche-h ... 1831930095) on sales figures also references an increase in everything but 718 sales in 2018. I also think 2017 sales (first year of the 718) were also a drop from the last year of the flat 6. I'll see if I can find the raw figures compared YoY.
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Down slightly = precipitous drop
I suppose a kerb is a precipitous drop in some ways...
I suppose a kerb is a precipitous drop in some ways...
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Similarly, I'm not worked up in the slightest. You do invite these sort of responses though! Tip - post evidence if you are to make statements. And stop with the patronising explanations of simple matters
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Unfortunately it's not as easy as saying people don't like the four cylinder engine. I imagine the economic environment will have something to do with it, for example.
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Rich, try not to get so worked up yeah?
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It’s clear then everyone is rushing to buy the new Alpine.
(That’s a joke btw)
(That’s a joke btw)
How about not having a sig at all?
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Yeh there are always multiple factors in play (you have to disregard 2009 - 2011 as a result of the financial crisis) but if you look versus their other models that does allow you to identify more model specific changes.
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and yet you don’t have these figures to look at either!
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They were in the Jalopnik article:Rich B wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:37 amand yet you don’t have these figures to look at either!
"The 911 is still holding its own, with 35,000 examples sold—a 10 percent year-over-year increase. And the all-new 992 isn’t even on dealer lots yet."
Old model 991.2 911 going up at the same time as the 718 is dropping.
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You don't work with lawyers much Rich, I'm guessing. It's difficult if not impossible to ever get them to substantiate their statements - I think they're just so used to emitting soundbites that it becomes habit, and they hate being questioned.
Not an insult as such, before I get accused of being worked up again - just my experience.
Oh - and they are useless at number - GG - you still haven't given any figures on the 718!
Not an insult as such, before I get accused of being worked up again - just my experience.
Oh - and they are useless at number - GG - you still haven't given any figures on the 718!
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The whole discussion is based around a jalopnik article saying that 2018 718 sales are slightly down on last year.
This is now somehow a “precipitous drop” because they’ve gone to 4 cylinder.
That’s the only thing I’m questioning!
This is now somehow a “precipitous drop” because they’ve gone to 4 cylinder.
That’s the only thing I’m questioning!
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Yes I know, I'm following it with ease! Let's see the figures from GG!
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I'm still searching for worldwide figures but in the US, the Boxster and Cayman models in aggregate are as follows:
2015 - 6663
2016 - 6260
2017 - 5087
2018 - 5276
2017 was the first full year of the 718 - I think 2016 718s started being delivered towards the end of the year so 2015 is probably your best clean figure for all flat 6 Boxsters and Caymans. All in all you're looking at about a 20% drop off (and larger than that in the first year of the 718 - 23.6%) . That's a pretty big reduction - especially at a time when everything else in the line up is going up. I would stick by precipitous.
Sources are Porsche press releases at calendar year end for 2017 and 2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170518154 ... hp?id=1010
and
https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/20 ... ec_18.html
I mean you guys know this was likely anyway. You'd have to be a total NCG to not get the drop in appeal of a farty flat four motor so it seems obvious that it would hit sales.
2015 - 6663
2016 - 6260
2017 - 5087
2018 - 5276
2017 was the first full year of the 718 - I think 2016 718s started being delivered towards the end of the year so 2015 is probably your best clean figure for all flat 6 Boxsters and Caymans. All in all you're looking at about a 20% drop off (and larger than that in the first year of the 718 - 23.6%) . That's a pretty big reduction - especially at a time when everything else in the line up is going up. I would stick by precipitous.
Sources are Porsche press releases at calendar year end for 2017 and 2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170518154 ... hp?id=1010
and
https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/20 ... ec_18.html
I mean you guys know this was likely anyway. You'd have to be a total NCG to not get the drop in appeal of a farty flat four motor so it seems obvious that it would hit sales.
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So you’re abandoning your original figures and focusing on US sales? According to those figures 718 sales are up on the previous year.