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Beany wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:48 pm America: Land of the Brave.

Motorcyle backfires*


No, really.

And yup, injuries from the stampede, although minor.

America in it's entirety has PTSD.

Beany wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:48 pm America: Land of the Brave.

Motorcyle backfires*


No, really.

And yup, injuries from the stampede, although minor.

That is amazing, for so many reasons

Jesus Christ, now will you do something about this!!!

27 shooing so far in Schools this year alone. It’s only May for fucks sake…

dinny_g wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:40 am Jesus Christ, now will you do something about this!!!

27 shooing so far in Schools this year alone. It’s only May for fucks sake…

There’s around 250 mass shootings occured in 2022 so far

dinny_g wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:40 am Jesus Christ, now will you do something about this!!!

27 shooing so far in Schools this year alone. It’s only May for fucks sake…

After Sandy Hook you wouldn't have thought it possible for the US to not wake up.

But they did not. I can't even.

jamcg wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:56 am

dinny_g wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:40 am Jesus Christ, now will you do something about this!!!

27 shooing so far in Schools this year alone. It’s only May for fucks sake…

There’s around 250 mass shootings occured in 2022 so far

And yet nothing will change…

As long as the gun lobby has people convinced that free access to guns trump all other concerns, nothing will change. It is sickening.

Powerful stuff.

DeskJockey wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:15 am As long as the gun lobby has people convinced that free access to guns trump all other concerns, nothing will change. It is sickening.

That. When COVID hit the USA and we heard reports of panic-buying of toilet rolls and small arms ammunition - I commented to a colleague in the USA that this was incredulous. I don't know her super well, but she has always come across as pretty normal and well balanced. Her response was "I'm not too worried about that - my full family is well prepared with weapons and ammo stocks, for whenever "the crazies" (air quotes over zoom call) try anything". JohnQCitizen doesn't seem to question at all the concept that the best solution is to ensure all the "good" people are armed to protect from the bad people.

mik wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:50 am

DeskJockey wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:15 am As long as the gun lobby has people convinced that free access to guns trump all other concerns, nothing will change. It is sickening.

That. When COVID hit the USA and we heard reports of panic-buying of toilet rolls and small arms ammunition - I commented to a colleague in the USA that this was incredulous. I don't know her super well, but she has always come across as pretty normal and well balanced. Her response was "I'm not too worried about that - my full family is well prepared with weapons and ammo stocks, for whenever "the crazies" (air quotes over zoom call) try anything". JohnQCitizen doesn't seem to question at all the concept that the best solution is to ensure all the "good" people are armed to protect from the bad people.

And don’t even question where these good people are when “the crazies” start pulling the trigger, because they’re never there when you need one

I’ve had the gun conversation with US colleagues many times. They can’t believe we’re not allowed them and think we’re BONKERS for not wanting them.

Nothing will change. Not in our lifetime, anyway.

What I don't understand about the "good guy with a gun" and the "we need more guns" arguments is that they already have more guns

The number of guns is constantly rising

There are more guns than people (although you can only use one gun at a time)

And I doubt that there are people who want a gun but don't yet have one

So on the assumption that everyone who wants a gun probably has one

All of the above is complete bullshit

It's sick that "my" right to bear arms trumps everyone else's rights to live in a safe society (or to just be a kid, go to school, and not have to learn "active shooter" drills and worry that I might get shot in class)

It's the cult-like pledge of allegiance to the flag which supports the obsessive culture over the 2nd amendment and people's determination to never shift from what they see as serving their country. You can't indoctrinate people with a dedication to the flag and ergo the constitution, THEN expect them to also roll over when that dedication to liberty goes wrong. It's a contradiction.

Seriously, which other country has formal daily flag worshipping in schools? I'm not talking about the Danish loving their flag and displaying it prominently, I'm talking about actually having a national flag worship practice that's taught in schools?

DaveE wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 10:18 am

There are more guns than people (although you can only use one gun at a time)

John Woo would beg to disagree.

The US Constitution really badly needs rewriting - the whole point is that it protects the pale from a tyrannical government.

They just had one. They did nothing.

As far as I'm concerned, they've lost the right to have the 2nd Amendment.

240PP wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 10:13 am I’ve had the gun conversation with US colleagues many times. They can’t believe we’re not allowed them and think we’re BONKERS for not wanting them.

Nothing will change. Not in our lifetime, anyway.

This is a common misconception. We ARE allowed to have them, it's just strictly controlled and monitored.

I worked in the US for a short period of time in the mid-90's and it staggered me that I couldn't buy a CD from Walmart that contained naughty words in the lyrics (it was all "radio edits"), but 3 aisles down I could buy enough guns and ammunition to equip a small army.

In 2020 guns became the single biggest cause of child mortality in the USA finally overtaking automobiles. That is fucked up!!

Powerful Stuff from Steve Kerr...

This idea of Gun "Control" is a fallacy too - If you ban all types of assault rifles, high calibre machine guns but leave Hand Guns on the table then the shootings will continue.

A guy with a modern hand gun with 4 or 5 10 bullet clips in his pocket can still kill dozens of people in that close quarters sort of location

I'm sure I be read before that gun sales go up after these incidents. They're all fucking mental.

How do you protect yourself from a baddie with a gun? By buying more guns.