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Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 3:55 pm**

They must almost all be family members of people who have become UK citizens otherwise I'm not sure how you'd survive here. Renting my first flat was a struggle, obviously I had no previous references so ended up having to use my parents as a guarantor and showing my payslip and even then the estate agent was hesitant so I ended up paying for 3 months in advance. And they're not going to be getting a job or at least a legal job which pays at least minimum wage. Feels like they must either be female relatives or become slaves.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 3:59 pm**

Closer to the latter than you might think tbh.

Most of these “dangerous, single young men” are sleeping 10 to a room and working whatever cash in hand they can get to raise money to either send home or get the rest of their family out of where they came from.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 4:52 pm**

The Telegraph issues a retraction after publishing editorially useful but factually unsound bollocks??

Colour me shocked that The Daily Mail With A Marginally Higher Reading Age would do such a thing

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:19 am**

GG. wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:52 pm Splitting hairs really isn't it as this just relates to the 1 in 12 number. If there are 585,000 people in London that is clearly a massive concern irrespective of whether it is 1 in whatever. That number is equal to the fourth biggest city in the UK.

Equally their exact status is important as part of the overall debate but the report was supposed to identify "hidden or transient" users (again it would be helpful to know exactly what that means) and remains a very visible demonstration of the load on services of migration that the left would have you believe does not exist. The fact that we don't have anything like accurate numbers of the total population just demonstrates how hard it would be to properly surveil threats, build infrastructure, provide healthcare and many others.

Really, showing anything but total disbelief that there is anything like these numbers of people living outside or on the periphery of the system is a clear demonstration of how politically radicalised people have become in relation to discussing any topics relating to immigration.

Once you have established that the methodology of the survey was complete nonsense (based on a 2017 guess for nationwide numbers by Pew Research Centre, somehow smashed together it NI issuance data, and scaled for London using incorrect numbers), the thing it was trying it count isn't properly defined (If the numbers include those already issued permanent leave to remain, then it presumably also includes those who's cases are still being considered - both groups are, by definition, NOT illegal migrants), that the basic maths has been done so shoddily, and the language of the presentation totally sensationalist and pejorative, there really isn't much credibility left any more.

On this evidence you can't say any more than "well, err, there are probably....some".

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2025 7:38 pm**

jamcg wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:18 pm
Explosive Newt wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:00 pm I think the problem with enforcing the law on this is that a custodial sentence is unlikely to change anyone's behaviour (and may indeed make them worse) in our prison system as it is. Years of cost cutting with longer sentencing has left us with prisons that incubate criminals rather than reforming them. Locking up kids for carrying knives will just push them into a cycle of crime.
Not to mention by all accounts drugs are easier to get in prison than on the street, and drugs and violence go hand in hand no matter where they are

Spice is easy to get due to the way it can be converted and ‘remade’ but I never saw any reports of other drugs being used apart from prescription stuff like Codine. Quite why they took Spice was beyond me as it just turned them into zombies then they’d throw up, usually on themselves.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2025 7:42 pm**

A depressed addict will take literally anything to avoid being sober.

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