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Took my mrs for drive in test today and it was pretty busy. Hopefully all not positive as lots of ruined christmas and new years.

I was travelling a bit on Saturday and went through Glasgow Central in the early evening. A lot of people obviously going out for the night and not wearing masks, I wouldn't be surprised if we're in the middle of a big spike by next weekend.

It'll be a shame if we end up in another lockdown, my sister is supposed to be having a party to celebrate her civil partnership to her partner in a couple of weeks.

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:00 pm I was travelling a bit on Saturday and went through Glasgow Central in the early evening. A lot of people obviously going out for the night and not wearing masks, I wouldn't be surprised if we're in the middle of a big spike by next weekend.

It'll be a shame if we end up in another lockdown, my sister is supposed to be having a party to celebrate her civil partnership to her partner in a couple of weeks.

would you expect everyone to wearing masks whilst out for a drink? Were you going to wear a mask through your the civil partnership?

I would expect them to wear masks while passing through a busy train station/on a train.

Went out for Xmas works dinner yesterday and was glad to see the restaurant packed. It emptied up by 6.30/7pm but still - i hope they had decent takings given the screwing they're getting from Boris.

One of the problems is that the effects of this variant seem to be so mild that many will just assume its a cold or kid themselves that its a common cold so carry on as normal. Given how infectious it is and what the scientists are saying, its going to be everywhere and there's really not much we can do about it at this stage.

Obviously I don't know if I've had Omicron, but given just how many people I know now that have had C19 this last few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if it's what I had. I've had colds before now that have been much worse. Apart from a few odd symptoms, it has been very mild.

If for arguments sake it was no worse than the common cold, then would we be worrying about that?

This is where I'm a bit suspicious of the death statistics, for example, how many people die whilst infected with the common cold? We don't record it, because it wasn't the cause and they would even bother to test to see if they had it. The figure is probably higher than the number of people who die of flu annually, but we just won't know. However, if for arguments sake omicron is like a common cold, we will still know they were infected with it as no doubt they do a lot of testing, but that doesn't mean that was the cause of death. Does that still go on the stats?

My wife has tested positive on both tests this morning, so that’s Christmas cancelled for us. It will be tough telling the kids (3 1/2 and 5 1/2) that we’re no longer seeing family on the day.
I’m currently negative. What are the odds on staying that way in a compact flat? If we’d been at our house in Cornwall at least my wife could’ve spent most of the time on the top floor.

Jimexpl wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:44 am My wife has tested positive on both tests this morning, so that’s Christmas cancelled for us. It will be tough telling the kids (3 1/2 and 5 1/2) that we’re no longer seeing family on the day.
I’m currently negative. What are the odds on staying that way in a compact flat? If we’d been at our house in Cornwall at least my wife could’ve spent most of the time on the top floor.

That sucks! Hope you all stay well.

+1

The big impacts right now seem to be services getting screwed up by people isolating, and a bit of me thinks this is going to be a bigger hit to the health service than additional admissions. Apparently the London Ambulance Service have lost nearly a quarter of their crews. I don’t know what the impact is locally but it took nearly 90 minutes for an urgent inter-hospital transfer to pick up one of our patients who was having a massive heart attack the other night…

It's just so important that we understand whether the severity is consistently low. If that was proven to be the case, surely we'd just do away with the need to isolate?

I had a 3rd Pfizer yesterday - pretty much as per the second one - bit of an achey arm but no issues. The good thing was, because it was another Pfizer, I didn't have to wait after the jab, so the whole thing took about 5 mins.

I did read that they’re looking at release from isolation after two days of negative LFTs, with a 5-7 day initial isolation period still required. This does sound quite sensible to me and will get people (who are well enough) back to work sooner

Hmm that's strange, my understanding was that you'd test pos on lfts for quite a long time - a month or more - after catching it? If that's not the case I might test today to see, I'm 6 days from first pos on lft.

mr_jon wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:04 am Hmm that's strange, my understanding was that you'd test pos on lfts for quite a long time - a month or more - after catching it? If that's not the case I might test today to see, I'm 6 days from first pos on lft.

so many weird "I heard's" out there. I know several people who've been negative on a lft the same day as a positive PCR.

I think that's one of the biggest issues - the government keep on trying to "follow the science" and whatever, to try and make out they're in control, but the reality is they're just making it up as they go, same as the rest of us.

Official Gov't advice is that you shouldn't do any tests (PCR or LFT) for 90 days after a +ve PCR.

Rich B wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:42 pm Reading up, there's lots of misrepresenting figures - lots of "I heard..." and "vast majority" and "80% of certain age groups over certain time periods".... Let's find out!

70% of people are fully (2 shots) vaccinated in the U.K. (children are counted in the hospital admissions, so need to be in this too).
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

It's estimated that 35% hospitalised are unvaccinated.
https://fullfact.org/health/economist-v ... on-status/

So that's only a 5% shift. Certainly not vast or a particular majority.

However, I've yet to find current info on the severity. So any links would be good.

Don't have time to go digging for data, but this set off my "bad stats" alarm.
Firstly, you've got a double skew going on there - both vaccination status and likelihood of hospitalisation are massively and separately skewed with age and underlying conditions.

Secondly, to compare percentage of the whole population with percentage of hospitalisations introduces a selection error (i.e. the bases are different for the 2 stats because the second only includes those that have been hospitalised)

Nefarious wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:38 am

Rich B wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:42 pm Reading up, there's lots of misrepresenting figures - lots of "I heard..." and "vast majority" and "80% of certain age groups over certain time periods".... Let's find out!

70% of people are fully (2 shots) vaccinated in the U.K. (children are counted in the hospital admissions, so need to be in this too).
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

It's estimated that 35% hospitalised are unvaccinated.
https://fullfact.org/health/economist-v ... on-status/

So that's only a 5% shift. Certainly not vast or a particular majority.

However, I've yet to find current info on the severity. So any links would be good.

Don't have time to go digging for data, but this set off my "bad stats" alarm.
Firstly, you've got a double skew going on there - both vaccination status and likelihood of hospitalisation are massively and separately skewed with age and underlying conditions.

Secondly, to compare percentage of the whole population with percentage of hospitalisations introduces a selection error (i.e. the bases are different for the 2 stats because the second only includes those that have been hospitalised)

thats kind of the point - people are coming out with horrible comments about fucking over their fellow humans based on statements that can't even be easily verified.