OV9

Gavster wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:05 am I'm going to sit this one out

Our views may differ

Dave!

The sodium nitrite/nitrate will kill you long before the dextrose in that particular joint
Cured meat products can also be filed under shit for the human body.

V8Granite wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:04 am https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

This is the first one I saw, I’d need to travel back to Tescos to see which one I picked up.

Dave!

Ah yeah, I’d guess a different supplier who uses sugar in their cure tbh. It’s only going to be like 8g of sugar.

Mito Man wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:10 am The sodium nitrite/nitrate will kill you long before the dextrose in that particular joint
Cured meat products can also be filed under shit for the human body.

Aye, Dave doesn’t believe in carcinogens though

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:57 am I’m not arguing with that, I’m saying no one knows everything. You were wrong about Tesco adding sugar to their pork.

People all over the place are making decisions based on what they think is right. Doesn’t mean it’s actually what’s healthiest or even factually correct.

I think it's a difficult one, because medical science is extremely complex and of course advice moves on over time. I think Dave! is passionate about his approach and it's clearly working for him, which in truth is half the battle. Whether or not you agree with the health benefits he clearly doesn't eat junk, just foods with different properties to the norm.

If everyone thought as carefully about what they eat I don't think we'd have these problems.

Fundamentally there's some easy wins here, the less processed food you eat the better, whether that is all meat or all veg IMO. And @Gavster may correct me, but the medical evidence to back that up is pretty compelling AFAIK.

Processed food is a bit general tbh.

I eat loads of tofu, which counts as heavily processed but you’d struggle to find a much cleaner source of protein.

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:46 am Processed food is a bit general tbh.

I eat loads of tofu, which counts as heavily processed but you’d struggle to find a much cleaner source of protein.

Yeah, I understand that. There are exceptions to every rule, but I think in principle you'd get it right more often than wrong with that as a starting point.

Aye, there is way more bad processed food than good tbh

I wimped out on this one, I had space for another steak but that’ll do me till tonight, where I’ll have 500g of roughly 20% fat mince with 4 chicken eggs. That’s about 1600 calories.
The steaks are normally around 600 calories from memory, 125g of bacon is about the same, then 2 duck eggs and 2 chicken eggs is about 350, no idea on how much butter went in as I don’t weigh it. So all in its 3200 calories plus a pint of milk.

All are welcome for a good feed.

Dave!

duncs500 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:53 am

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:46 am Processed food is a bit general tbh.

I eat loads of tofu, which counts as heavily processed but you’d struggle to find a much cleaner source of protein.

Yeah, I understand that. There are exceptions to every rule, but I think in principle you'd get it right more often than wrong with that as a starting point.

100% agree.

Dave!

The amount of sat fat you eat is scary to me tbh

I won’t lie, it was scary to me at first aswell but my body fat level just keeps dropping.

Dave!

Jesus I'm hungry now Dave...

duncs500 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:43 am
Fundamentally there's some easy wins here, the less processed food you eat the better, whether that is all meat or all veg IMO. And @Gavster may correct me, but the medical evidence to back that up is pretty compelling AFAIK.

The thing about processed foods is getting a lot of attention and it's because of the NOVA classification, although there's a lot of confusion out there right now.

NOVA 1: Unprocessed or minimally processed foods
NOVA 2: Processed culinary ingredients
NOVA 3: Processed foods
NOVA 4: Ultra-processed foods

The main evidence is that consuming higher quantities of ultra-processed foods (NOVA 4) is associated with higher instances of diet-related illnesses. Or to put it another way (as you suggest), people who eat more whole foods (fruit, veg, legumes, meat, fish, dairy, eggs etc.) have fewer diet-related illnesses. A product like tofu made in a traditional way falls under NOVA 3 and therefore is considered a good choice, along with other 'processed' foods in NOVA 3 include sourdough bread, pickles, cheese etc. These foods can also get nudged up into NOVA 4 when they become more highly procssed, for example most maintstream sliced bread is ultra-processed, rather than processed, because it has several more ingredients and processes involved than sourdough.

The boundaries are also quite fuzzy which makes it even more complicated to communicate effectively.

Many of the ultra-processed foods in NOVA 4 are also high in fat, salt or sugar, and we know that eating lots of those three is bad for your health. So it's the ultra-processed category that's of concern.

And nobody is saying that all processing is bad, because cooking a steak or chopping a carrot is a form of processing.

I enjoyed winding up the processed food scaremongers (the raw milk types) by pointing out that any sort of food prep is technically processing

After all this nagging, I forgot my lunch so I’m going to Greggs

The employment rights bill is introducing some much-needed rights for employees, especially the zero hours contract part. The only part that I don't like is how employees can refuse contract changes - sometimes in a business (especially a very small one) things do need to change and it can be problematic for the business if they can't modify the terms of employment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdgx8vze8o

I think it’s more important to stop big companies forcing people to opt out of the Working Time Directive etc.

Smaller businesses and employees can hopefully be more sensible and discuss contracts.

Employees can already refuse contract changes though - they are deemed to be accepted if the employee does nothing and keeps working, but any objection means they are not included. And it's pretty much automatically unfair if you dismiss an employee for not agreeing a change to their contract.

Interesting about zero hours contracts. In principle I think that is needed reform, but if employers have an obligation to offer minimum hours, the employee also has to work those hours - if they want flexibility they lose it. Probably not a big issue but will affect some people.

The only problematic part about the zero hours contract is that it fails to cover Uber eats etc riders who are employed as contractors.