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dinny_g wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:41 am Is there any realistic scenario now where the UK can actually Remain in the EU ? What would the mechanisms be for that to happen (if at all)

I guess they can arbitrarily withdraw Article 50 and all the palaver goes away, but going against what the people voted for in the referendum. Or have another referendum and hope the answer is remain this time, or we all go round again.

Can that be done without a vote in Parliament though...

Suppose May loses the vote today (unlikely), could a GE be fought on the basis of, say Labour offering a second referendum if they get in for example...

While it's "Against what the people voted for" 2 years ago, I'm not sure if Leave would win again..

duncs500 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:48 am We all know that if it had been made clear to all the voters that Brexit did not mean "no more foreigners", there probably wouldn't have been a referendum in the first place and if there was Remain would have won.

Careful Duncs, GG goes in the huff if you suggest some people might have voted for Brexit because they're racist.

It's probably good that we're going to spend the next few weeks arguing about whether or not we should have a general election while our economy and international standing burns down around us right?

What I'd like to see is May (or whoever) categorically say that if the choice is between leaving without a deal or not leaving then we're not leaving. I'd rather see us beg the EU for an extension than go out with nothing in place.

We've been speaking to Royal Mail, UPS and the import handling company we work with over the last couple of weeks and no one has the slightest idea what's going to happen at the borders yet.

dinny_g wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:50 am Can that be done without a vote in Parliament though...

Suppose May loses the vote today (unlikely), could a GE be fought on the basis of, say Labour offering a second referendum if they get in for example...

While it's "Against what the people voted for" 2 years ago, I'm not sure if Leave would win again..

Remaining would require both a vote in Parliament and a vote in the Lords - and something else would also be needed for those votes to go against the outcome of the 2016 referendum. Which would inevitably have to be another referendum; the MPs would not go against the wishes of the people without a mandate to do so.

Extending the date of leaving still requires a vote too, but the difference is that the MPs won't be constrained by the referendum result when voting, so is much more likely to pass the houses.

The brexit negotiations.

Confidence Vote won...

No surprise really

Bloody close though.

Zonda_ wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:28 pm Bloody close though.

Not really. Conservatives plus DUP is 316. She got 325 so there were some people outside of those 2 parties that supported her.

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:32 pm

Zonda_ wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:28 pm Bloody close though.

Not really. Conservatives plus DUP is 316. She got 325 so there were some people outside of those 2 parties that supported her.

it really was the most pointless waste of another day wasn’t it.

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:32 pm

Zonda_ wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:28 pm Bloody close though.

Not really. Conservatives plus DUP is 316. She got 325 so there were some people outside of those 2 parties that supported her.

Rich B wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:34 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:32 pm

Zonda_ wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:28 pm Bloody close though.

Not really. Conservatives plus DUP is 316. She got 325 so there were some people outside of those 2 parties that supported her.

it really was the most pointless waste of another day wasn’t it.

Guy Fawkes had it right.

Pete_ wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:41 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:32 pm

Zonda_ wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:28 pm Bloody close though.

Not really. Conservatives plus DUP is 316. She got 325 so there were some people outside of those 2 parties that supported her.

I must’ve misremembered my MP numbers. The point is, everyone expected to vote No did so, so it wasn’t really close. Had there been some rebels, you could call it close.

#BecauseRev...

Sorry, couldn’t resist... I don’t mean it - I take/value your view in all this more than anyone...

dinny_g wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:52 pm #BecauseRev...

Sorry, couldn’t resist... I don’t mean it - I take/value your view in all this more than anyone...

That actually means a lot.

Don’t tell anyone but that point stands for most things...

dinny_g wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:21 pm Don’t tell anyone but that point stands for most things...

You’re dafter than I thought

Corbyn's royally fucked this. The labour party don't have a Brexit policy other than 'object to everything the Tories do'. Under ANY other leader right now theyd be pushing for a second vote, or EFTA, or whatever, just ANYTHING more than 'object object object'. It's even labour member desire for a second ref but the leadership won't have it. Time's up Corbyn. It's time to have a policy.

Simon wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:05 pm Corbyn's royally fucked this. The labour party don't have a Brexit policy other than 'object to everything the Tories do'. Under ANY other leader right now theyd be pushing for a second vote, or EFTA, or whatever, just ANYTHING more than 'object object object'. It's even labour member desire for a second ref but the leadership won't have it. Time's up Corbyn. It's time to have a policy.

Apparently 73% of labour members want a second vote but Jezza doesn't so they can get fucked.

What Labour members want and what their core voters want though are two different things. I imagine the same goes for the Tory members and their voters.