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GG. wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:48 pm I'm not quite sure how that's overthinking it! We're talking about chartering Harry's boat and I just think its crap value for money. Prompted me to have a flick through my old photos and reminisce though.

This was the firms junk and the wife of the boat "boy" (top marks for patronising ex-pat terminology give they were in their 60s), mei mei, picking us up from Po Toi:



Sailing back:

dinny_g wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:11 pm and cheese on sticks...

Fizz and plonk...

ShockDiamonds wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:50 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:21 pm

ShockDiamonds wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:00 pm

Agree with this, although your views weren't quite as YOLO when I bought that car, IIRC. Along with numerous others, you were quite scathing. Clearly the two purchases are different but in terms of 'getting enjoyment out of it' I was chuffed with the car whilst I had it, then later came to sell it for a change, the way anybody would. So why is spending 3k for a day on somebody else's boat deemed acceptable?

PS - To my mind it is acceptable, if that's what you want to spend money on. Nobody's business what anybody spends money on. It's the about-face in perspective that I am questioning.

Where this falls down is that we're talking about concepts:

- Ian is arguing the concept that renting a yacht isn't a waste of money; he isn't stating whether this particular deal is good value
- No one is arguing that the concept of buying a BMW 520d in BRILLIANTLYFUCKED BLAU is a waste of money; they did argue that that particular deal wasn't good VFM.

You’re chooosing to split the argument, I’m not. This isn’t a discussion about VFM, the point was about people spending money how they see fit. I saw fit to spend my money a certain way, which Ian and a few others didn’t agree with. 3k for a day on a boat would be madness to some, ok to others if that’s how they want to spend their cash.

GG. wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:32 pm

IanF wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:55 am
GG, waste of cash? Really? If all you had was £300k maybe, but I think Harry’s garage shows he has a bit more to spend. People can spend their own money however they see fit and, as long as they get enjoyment out of it, I can’t see how it’s a waste of cash. I guess you either enjoy boating or you don’t.

I wasn't talking about Harry though - he has the wherewithal to buy it and as you've quite rightly said he can get recoup his maintainance and moorage in a month renting out and as we know, boats depreciate remarkably slowly.

My comments were aimed at spending €3,000 on renting one for a day. I can see the appeal in your scenario of sailing it round the island and sleeping overnight in it to sample several places in short succession - but then you're not talking about €3,000 as that is one day's hire. Say you then charter it for three days, that's then the best part of €10k + VAT + ARA. I can think of many better ways to spend that cash. Possibly if you're less misanthropic than me you could shack up with two other couples making it only €1,000 a night per couple but even a 61 footer is going to feel quite claustrophobic with 6 on board IMO.

Don't get me wrong - I don't dislike boats. I had a fantastic time on junks in Hong Kong when I lived there. Travelling out to the islands in the South China sea to eat fresh seafood and sailing back home under the stars... but they were owned by the law firm I worked for then and therefore totally free

TL;DR - I get buying and hospitality. Private rental (particularly with elevated prices on the shores of the Med) not so much.

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:29 pm

GG. wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:56 pm Some things are financially stupid to hire and you're better off buying them or not bothering. There you go.

indeed - if you fancy a couple of weeks on a yacht, you’re far better to buy and staff a yacht for many hundreds of thousands/millions then just renting one for a few weeks.

I apply the same logic to everything; I’m off on holiday again soon, but rather than waste my money on a hotel room I’ve simply bought a hotel. It’s the financially clever thing to do.

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:42 pm

ShockDiamonds wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:50 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:21 pm

Where this falls down is that we're talking about concepts:

- Ian is arguing the concept that renting a yacht isn't a waste of money; he isn't stating whether this particular deal is good value
- No one is arguing that the concept of buying a BMW 520d in BRILLIANTLYFUCKED BLAU is a waste of money; they did argue that that particular deal wasn't good VFM.

You’re chooosing to split the argument, I’m not. This isn’t a discussion about VFM, the point was about people spending money how they see fit. I saw fit to spend my money a certain way, which Ian and a few others didn’t agree with. 3k for a day on a boat would be madness to some, ok to others if that’s how they want to spend their cash.

except when you could have had the exact same time on the boat for half the price if you’d actually thought about how long you wanted it before entering into a ludicrous deal.

ShockDiamonds wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:42 pm

Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:42 pm

ShockDiamonds wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:50 pm


You’re chooosing to split the argument, I’m not. This isn’t a discussion about VFM, the point was about people spending money how they see fit. I saw fit to spend my money a certain way, which Ian and a few others didn’t agree with. 3k for a day on a boat would be madness to some, ok to others if that’s how they want to spend their cash.

except when you could have had the exact same time on the boat for half the price if you’d actually thought about how long you wanted it before entering into a ludicrous deal.

Bottom line is the same. One can spend money however they see fit, and others will either smile or smirk. Do so consistently at least.

JLv3.0 wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:46 pm You wouldn't understand, Rich.