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Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:14 pm**

At least a new referendum would now be balanced with a "No Go" or "No Stay" vote; or "No, Go" or "No, Stay" vote to confuse the masses!

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:17 pm**

Jobbo wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:55 pm I think this will end up with a general election fought by a Tory party led by someone other than Theresa, together with a delay to the exit date.

Not likely as an immediate consequence of tomorrow's no confidence motion at least: the ERG and DUP have both come out in support of TM so would require a few Tory turkeys to vote for Christmas to bring down the government.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:19 pm**

We're meant to be out in two and a half months, right?

I swear to christ the best option at the moment would be to just line up every MP against a wall and start shooting them, one by one at random, till they start to work out what their priorities are beyond pensions and speaking arrangements.

Useless fucking cunts.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:26 pm**

Corbyn's played his card too early. He'll lose the no-confidence vote. Or maybe that's what he wants. Who would want to be PM now? Corbyn would like to continue protesting from the opposition. A position he is most comfortable with, rather than actually having to deliver on the promise of unicorns.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:35 pm**

I don’t think the most pessimistic remain voter could have predicted how badly the tories would fuck this up.

I’d like to see the reasons for continuing with this farce.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:37 pm**

Simon wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:26 pm Corbyn's played his card too early. He'll lose the no-confidence vote. Or maybe that's what he wants. Who would want to be PM now? Corbyn would like to continue protesting from the opposition. A position he is most comfortable with, rather than actually having to deliver on the promise of unicorns.

Exactly - there's no way I'd want to take over this mess. I'm sure an ideal for him would be a chaotic no deal, an election and a certain win with 5 years in power under the FTPA.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:42 pm**

GG. wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:37 pm
Simon wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:26 pm Corbyn's played his card too early. He'll lose the no-confidence vote. Or maybe that's what he wants. Who would want to be PM now? Corbyn would like to continue protesting from the opposition. A position he is most comfortable with, rather than actually having to deliver on the promise of unicorns.
Exactly - there's no way I'd want to take over this mess. I'm sure an ideal for him would be a chaotic no deal, an election and a certain win with 5 years in power under the FTPA.

Wasn't this said about Corbyn when he became Labour leader!? My worry is he believes half the shit he peddles and believes he will be a great PM.

Also Zed, I think it's more likely a cynical Brexiteer would believe that TM has done this because she wants to stay in the EU #conspiracytheory

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:48 pm**

You can’t place the blame for all of this at May’s door, although she should take her fair share. There’s the people who pushed for the referendum while not telling anyone what they were actually voting for. There were the people who won and then shrugged their shoulders and peaced out. There were the people who were supposed to be figuring out how this was all going to work and sat twiddling their thumbs for 18 months. There were the people who took over from those people and still didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing.

Plenty of blame to go round.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:50 pm**

ZIC...

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:52 pm**

Put me in charge, I’ll fix it all.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:58 pm**

I’d support that

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:00 pm**

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:48 pm You can’t place the blame for all of this at May’s door, although she should take her fair share. There’s the people who pushed for the referendum while not telling anyone what they were actually voting for. There were the people who won and then shrugged their shoulders and peaced out. There were the people who were supposed to be figuring out how this was all going to work and sat twiddling their thumbs for 18 months. There were the people who took over from those people and still didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing.

Plenty of blame to go round.

I sort of agree, but the referendum was June 2016 and TM has been PM since July 2016, so she's responsible for the last two sentences!

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:32 pm**

I wasn't expecting it to be quite by that margin!

My theory - she'll win the confidence vote, there won't be an election. As above, not unless we go out on a No Deal. She'll go back to the EU and I do genuinely wonder if they might offer something more concrete on the backstop, under pressure from Germany - it has to be better for them right now to have us in a WA for at least another 2yrs, given that they staring down the barrel of a recession. Arguably all of them may think the same.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:34 pm**

Sky News coverage is hillarious...

“Dominic Grieve, Jacob Tees Moog now wants a no deal exit” - erm no, he didn’t say that, he said it wouldn’t be the end of the world

“There you go - Dominic Grieve wants another referendum” erm no, he didn’t say that either

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:36 pm**

I think the ERG will agree to any deal she brings back now. They’ve flexed their muscles but also realise that they could conceivably lose their precious Brexit at the last minute.

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:50 pm**

In other news, Germany has avoided technical recession by 0.1%.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:48 am**

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:48 pm You can’t place the blame for all of this at May’s door, although she should take her fair share. There’s the people who pushed for the referendum while not telling anyone what they were actually voting for. There were the people who won and then shrugged their shoulders and peaced out. There were the people who were supposed to be figuring out how this was all going to work and sat twiddling their thumbs for 18 months. There were the people who took over from those people and still didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing.

Plenty of blame to go round.

TBH, I mostly blame the people that peddled lies to force the referendum and the people that peddled lies to win the referendum.

We all know that if it had been made clear to all the voters that Brexit did not mean "no more foreigners", there probably wouldn't have been a referendum in the first place and if there was Remain would have won.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:30 am**

I’m not sure what the EU can offer on the backstop when it exists because May imposed it as a red line

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:33 am**

Why would the EU offer anything. They’ve got the upper hand, want to make an example of us for the other EU countries and now Tusk is banging on about the only positive solution being to remain. 24 hours earlier he was asking the MPs to vote for the deal

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:41 am**

Is there any realistic scenario now where the UK can actually Remain in the EU ? What would the mechanisms be for that to happen (if at all)

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