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Do you really think prescribing ozempic to jobseekers for weight loss is a good solution?

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:23 am Do you really think prescribing ozempic to jobseekers for weight loss is a good solution?

I’m aware of Ozempic but don’t know much about it other than some people champion it and to others it’s controversial. I don’t think it should be mandatory as you’re suggesting it could be if they were to sanction people but maybe offering it wouldn’t be the worst idea.

Or just buy them a pair of trainers and point them to the BBC Good Food website.

That last flippant part is closer to what we actually need. Along with people to assist those who need it.

As I said above, if this is a serious problem and not just a squirrell/personal enrichment scheme we need long term behaviour change. Ozempic is a quick and expensive fix.

With people like Weight Watchers saying that Diet Coke is zero calories is fine to eat it’s very clear most people haven’t a clue what a healthy diet is.

Injecting people to be slim is retarded and a huge waste, they won’t change, they’ll eat shit and die early.

Dave!

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:34 am As I said above, if this is a serious problem and not just a squirrell/personal enrichment scheme we need long term behaviour change. Ozempic is a quick and expensive fix.

Agreed, people need to change their behaviours.

Like I said before, when we were still in Edinburgh the doctor was able to give my partner a membership for the council gyms as part of their mental health treatment.

They worked with a PT and had a great experience. It was only a short term thing though.

That’s the kind of thing we should be funding, not diet drugs.

Not suggesting it's the right or proper but the majority of clinically overweight people will NOT go to a gym and work with a personal trainer - even if it's free as it's difficult. However, they might go for a Jab as it's the easy way out...

And taking the easy way out is the reason the vast majority of overweight people are overweight

You can’t catch everyone, I think a decent amount of people would take the opportunity to get some free training. If some don’t it’s their choice.

The problem with the government’s attitude to the poor/disabled/unemployed for the last 40 years is that they continue to think they can nag/shame/punish people into doing what they want and it’s clearly not working.

Saying that, unemployment is less than 4% so it’s not a huge issue anyway. A lot of capitalists think the problem is that employment too high

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:23 am Do you really think prescribing ozempic to jobseekers for weight loss is a good solution?

Some speed would be better. Get the fatties into thinnies running about being productive.

In bed with the Pharma companies is our Starmer

To be fair, £130 a month won’t go far on personal trainers - 2 sessions, maybe 3? then most fatties will just go to McDonalds on the way home because they’ve “earned it”.

The whole concept of weight loss injections is pretty shocking, but i bet “£ for lb” it’s pretty unbeatable for losing weight quickly.

Rich B wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:46 pm To be fair, £130 a month won’t go far on personal trainers - 2 sessions, maybe 3? then most fatties will just go to McDonalds on the way home because they’ve “earned it”.

The whole concept of weight loss injections is pretty shocking, but i bet “£ for lb” it’s pretty unbeatable for losing weight quickly.

But does them losing weight result in them stopping being a lazy arse that doesn't want to work?

I'm with Zed on this - it sends all sorts of baffling messages about what they really think the problem is and how to solve it, and it is both dystopian and screams of someone being in the pocket of Pharma.

Broccers wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:28 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:23 am Do you really think prescribing ozempic to jobseekers for weight loss is a good solution?

Some speed would be better. Get the fatties into thinnies running about being productive.

In bed with the Pharma companies is our Starmer

Fuck off broccers

A lot of people who use the GLP-1 drugs report a massive reduction in 'food noise' which is basically the constant thoughts and desires about food that run around our heads and often lead them to overeating, especially snack foods that are less healthy. They also seem to have a curious effect of turning people off foods high in salt, sugar and fat and making them want more fruit, veg, fish and meat. Overall, those drugs seem to be very successful at helping people lose weight by eating less food and healthier. This could be especially helpful for people who don't have the time or motivation to go to the gym, because the 'eat less, move more' narrative doesn't work for everyone.

Here's a recent survey of how food preferences changed for people on those GLP-1 drugs:

dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:46 pm Not suggesting it's the right or proper but the majority of clinically overweight people will NOT go to a gym and work with a personal trainer - even if it's free as it's difficult. However, they might go for a Jab as it's the easy way out...

And taking the easy way out is the reason the vast majority of overweight people are overweight

This is like giving someone who keeps setting their house on fire a fire extinguisher. It may mean the house doesn’t burn but it’s not addressing the problem.

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:27 pm

dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:46 pm Not suggesting it's the right or proper but the majority of clinically overweight people will NOT go to a gym and work with a personal trainer - even if it's free as it's difficult. However, they might go for a Jab as it's the easy way out...

And taking the easy way out is the reason the vast majority of overweight people are overweight

This is like giving someone who keeps setting their house on fire a fire extinguisher. It may mean the house doesn’t burn but it’s not addressing the problem.

Dave!

It's not addressing ALL the problems but it's addressing the most pressing - THEIR FREAKING HOUSE ISN'T BURNED DOWN!!!

Someone who has food issues and is, say 15 stone is in a better place than someone who has food issues and is 20 stone.

But look, I'm not advocating Ozempic for overweight people to get them back to work - that part of the plan is mental. But if it works, then hey, it works.

I think it's pretty fucked up, injecting people, thinking it will sort out productivity. Can't really find details of how it will be done, wonder if they'll manage to force them upon people for some proper dystopian action.

In general though it seems to be 21st century way. Create problems - ignore problems - allow a critical mass to develop - develop a temporary solution - a few people make lots of money - achieve an unsatisfactory result.

Those weight loss injections have to be taken forever, which is another fucked up point. Go off them as you're even worse off than before. So if the government wants to commit to this, it'll have to be for the life of the patient. And just hope and pray there's no weird long term side effects.

Again, not advocating Ozempic to get people back to work but I suppose I've a bit of a conflict of interest as I take Ramipril for High Blood Pressure.

There are certain people (like a mate of mine) who's very Anti-Pharma and would say (and has said) I don't need it, all I need to do is lose weight, stop drinking alcohol, eat Mackerel every day, change your job to one that isn't so stressful, take up yoga, learn mindfulness and relax more. If you do ALL of that, they you won't need to take medication for high blood pressure.

But I'll be honest, I don't want a stroke so I take the Ramipril - and my blood pressure is in the normal range. I do some of that but can't do all.

"In in ideal world" is not where the vast majority of us can live so if someone's really struggled with their weight and there are medical remedies - whether that's Ozempic or another course of action, and it helps them lose weight then I've no issue with it.

But it shouldn't be restricted to just those on welfare.

I’m not against medication. I’ve said before but the meds I take for my anxiety and depression saved my life.

There are already treatments on the nhs for the life threateningly obese and the health minister saying he wants to shortcut weight loss to get people working rings alarm bells tbh.

If my child was overweight and I injected him till he got slimmer, people would think I’m a monster.

My views would n diet may be unpopular but whether people agree or not, diet can change massively how we go about our day to day lives, how we feel and our health. You can’t inject a bad diet away.

I mean we are fed utter horse shit on what a good diet is, there’s too much money involved and too many agendas for that to change. Stick them with a needle to fix the fatties.

Dave!

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:27 pm I’m not against medication. I’ve said before but the meds I take for my anxiety and depression saved my life.

There are already treatments on the nhs for the life threateningly obese and the health minister saying he wants to shortcut weight loss to get people working rings alarm bells tbh.

Yeah, somewhat unusually, I think we’re on the same page here Zed…