Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:40 am
I’m not sure why they are leading with the 70% figure given that the Pfizer vaccine is a two dose method as well...
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Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:47 am
Whichever PR person mismanaged that is going to be shortly out of a job...
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am
It’s the U.K. remember, we don’t like to give the public a perception that we’re good at anything, the plucky underdog etc 
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am
I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:59 am
This.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 am
You’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:38 am
70% is a 1st. No point in getting any more than that!Explosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 amYou’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:52 am
Rich B wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:38 am70% is a 1st. No point in getting any more than that!Explosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 amYou’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:29 pm
Hopefully this half then full dose 90% gets confirmed, then we're on to a winner.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:34 pm
Explosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 amYou’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:55 pm
65.6% in my caseExplosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 amYou’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:24 pm
I'm shocked GG, I expected more from a man of your calibre!GG. wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:55 pm65.6% in my caseExplosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 amYou’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:01 pm
Absolutely - this is apparently easier and cheaper to manufacture and doesn't have the cold storage issues of the Pfizer vaccine. They have really shot themselves in the foot with the PR, the AZ share price dipped after the 70% announcement.duncs500 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:29 pm Hopefully this half then full dose 90% gets confirmed, then we're on to a winner.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:11 pm
Buy buy buy!Explosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:01 pmAbsolutely - this is apparently easier and cheaper to manufacture and doesn't have the cold storage issues of the Pfizer vaccine. They have really shot themselves in the foot with the PR, the AZ share price dipped after the 70% announcement.duncs500 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:29 pm Hopefully this half then full dose 90% gets confirmed, then we're on to a winner.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:12 pm
I think it dipped after they realised they wouldn't profit from the vaccine until it's over.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:21 pm
That's long been known about though.Simon wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:12 pm I think it dipped after they realised they wouldn't profit from the vaccine until it's over.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:35 pm
Fair enough.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:14 pm
You’ll be telling me next that you went somewhere ghastly like Lady Margaret. Or St Anne’s!GG. wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:55 pm65.6% in my caseExplosive Newt wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 amYou’re quite possibly right. Also, the Oxford trial did weekly asymptomatic testing so I can’t help wonder if they are comparing this to the symptomatic cases in the other trials, hence an apparently lower number. We won’t know until the data is released.Ascender wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am I was wondering about the 70 v 90% thing, but if they said it was "90% effective", people would read the detail and then lose their shit. Because people don't want to read anything other than the clickbait headline these days.
The fact it can be stored under normal refrigeration conditions would appear to be a very good thing which can help accelerate delivery to the maximum number of people possible in the shortest time possible.
Also: any Oxford graduate will tell you that an Oxford 70% is worth much more than 90% from other universities.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:15 pm
I spent an hour or so on the bike this afternoon and at some point our region has been moved back in to tier 3 instead of tier 2. For some unknown fucking reason. My mate has just been pulled over on the local bypass by plod asking where he was going as its in the general direction of Edinburgh - they're dishing out £30 fines.
I feel like I've been asleep for a year or something.
I feel like I've been asleep for a year or something.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:45 am
A dosing error by researchers on the AstraZeneca-Oxford University vaccine trial led to a huge boost in the jab's success rate, the firm's vice president has revealed.
Mene Pangalos, head of AstraZeneca's non-oncology research and development, said: 'The reason we had the half dose is serendipity.'
Volunteers in Britain were expected to receive two full doses of the vaccine as it was trialed in the hope of funding a cure.
Dr Pangalos says researches were perplexed when they noticed volunteers were reporting much milder side effects, such as fatigue, headaches and arm aches, than were originally predicted.
He said: 'So we went back and checked ... and we found out that they had underpredicted the dose of the vaccine by half.'
Dosing error and we are supposed to willing let these nutters inject us.
Mene Pangalos, head of AstraZeneca's non-oncology research and development, said: 'The reason we had the half dose is serendipity.'
Volunteers in Britain were expected to receive two full doses of the vaccine as it was trialed in the hope of funding a cure.
Dr Pangalos says researches were perplexed when they noticed volunteers were reporting much milder side effects, such as fatigue, headaches and arm aches, than were originally predicted.
He said: 'So we went back and checked ... and we found out that they had underpredicted the dose of the vaccine by half.'
Dosing error and we are supposed to willing let these nutters inject us.