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Or sit on the tables outside the pub like everyone did last time.

Rich B wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:49 am I expect it's to stop people leaving their homes and buying it and drinking it round the corner from the pub. But it's pretty daft. They could quite easily make it "home delivery only" if that is their concern.

We had an issue locally with one pub was selling takeaway beer which local pissheads then drank in the beer garden of a closed pub across the road. Closed pub then gets visited by Police and they had to remove all the garden furniture

Pub compliance was frankly a bit of a joke you tended to have couples following the rules then gangs of men who clearly didn't live together sitting round a table like its 1999.

Being in Tier 3 I had one pint on the friday afternoon before that came in and didn't bother with pubs after. Last week we went out for a meal in a large indian, had one pint and left - no dramas, no issues. I cannot see why they are shutting these down as I know not one that has a track and trace positive or pubs for that matter.

You can write the future now - lockdown, reopen for xmas, kids / students go home, early Jan numbers shoot up and they lock it down not including the kids and students. The latter being the issue as we all know.

Plus even more suicides. Think I may have predicted that a while ago.

I can't see lockdown ending in a month. The graphs all pretty much show deaths peaking at the end of Dec, will be a pretty odd decision if they ease it when there's a few thousand dying per day.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:31 pm I can't see lockdown ending in a month. The graphs all pretty much show deaths peaking at the end of Dec, will be a pretty odd decision if they ease it when there's a few thousand dying per day.

Aren't the graphs supposedly based on 3 week old data though, that some are now calling out of date? Prof Carl Heneghan of Oxford Uni has been having a pop at it.

Broccers wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:27 pm ... I cannot see why they are shutting these down as I know not one that has a track and trace positive or pubs for that matter.

Led to loads of pub closures here in August/September

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:37 pm

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:31 pm I can't see lockdown ending in a month. The graphs all pretty much show deaths peaking at the end of Dec, will be a pretty odd decision if they ease it when there's a few thousand dying per day.

Aren't the graphs supposedly based on 3 week old data though, that some are now calling out of date? Prof Carl Heneghan of Oxford Uni has been having a pop at it.

Regardless we’re on 25,000 cases a day, can’t see that dropping to something reasonable within a month.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:55 pm

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:37 pm

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:31 pm I can't see lockdown ending in a month. The graphs all pretty much show deaths peaking at the end of Dec, will be a pretty odd decision if they ease it when there's a few thousand dying per day.

Aren't the graphs supposedly based on 3 week old data though, that some are now calling out of date? Prof Carl Heneghan of Oxford Uni has been having a pop at it.

Regardless we’re on 25,000 cases a day, can’t see that dropping to something reasonable within a month.

Is that the figure then? If so then that's half of what Whitty/Valance "projected" back in Sept.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:04 pm

Mito Man wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:55 pm

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:37 pm

Aren't the graphs supposedly based on 3 week old data though, that some are now calling out of date? Prof Carl Heneghan of Oxford Uni has been having a pop at it.

Regardless we’re on 25,000 cases a day, can’t see that dropping to something reasonable within a month.

Is that the figure then? If so then that's half of what Whitty/Valance "projected" back in Sept.

Rightly or wrongly, they're basically saying that for every positive result a case goes untested. The sample studies indicate around 50k per day. Whether the Whitty graph was talking about real cases or positive tests, I don't know.

Well if the track and trace scheme wasn’t such a failure we should have been closer to the true cases.

integrale_evo wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:57 am Or sit on the tables outside the pub like everyone did last time.

Or not, like the zero people I saw doing that. People can disobey any role if they want to, a few idiots sitting outside is really not changing much.

No way will they impose a lockdown over Christmas, but like [mention]Broccers[/mention] says, it will just cause another spike afterwards.

Seems to be loads of conflicting views around the stats, the forecasted numbers etc. Its still like the part in Thick of It where Malcolm is explaining that it doesn't matter what expert A says as he can get expert B to give a totally opposing viewpoint if it suits.

What a dick

I'm left wondering what percentage of the construction industry either contract, or spread coronavirus. I was on site this morning and was the only one wearing a mask in a fairly small bar area with around 12 people inside. The tradesmen were carrying on like they had free reign, backslapping, passing/chatting on stairs etc. Absolutely zero fucking distancing effort at all from each other, or me - an outsider. What a shitshow.

My mrs works in a hospital and most of the people she works with are happy to post on Facebook about going out in groups and having get together with zero distancing, and they’re supposed to be healthcare professionals. If they can’t take it seriously then what chance have the rest of the population got?

At out work the general shop floor workers are pretty good at distancing, but the maintenance department just haven’t got a clue and are carrying on working in close proximity as usual.

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:22 pm I'm left wondering what percentage of the construction industry either contract, or spread coronavirus. I was on site this morning and was the only one wearing a mask in a fairly small bar area with around 12 people inside. The tradesmen were carrying on like they had free reign, backslapping, passing/chatting on stairs etc. Absolutely zero fucking distancing effort at all from each other, or me - an outsider. What a shitshow.

Our sites are the opposite. But we are actually following all guidelines and constantly updating practices even if it costs more.

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:22 pm I'm left wondering what percentage of the construction industry either contract, or spread coronavirus. I was on site this morning and was the only one wearing a mask in a fairly small bar area with around 12 people inside. The tradesmen were carrying on like they had free reign, backslapping, passing/chatting on stairs etc. Absolutely zero fucking distancing effort at all from each other, or me - an outsider. What a shitshow.

You're talking about an industry with a reputatation for rogues and a gung ho attitude.

My mates experience 100+ miles away correlate

We currently have 6 projects on site with 5-50 people or so and We have (on top of the normal PPE/ social distancing rules):

- The whole site divided into segments and trades have to prebook their segment to work in.
- hand wash stations on all access/egress
- a full time cleaner on site for the duration solely for welfare / sign in / meeting areas
- welfare areas to allow actual social distancing for breaks and meeting areas.
- etc...

We haven't stopped Any of our sites at all even during the first lockdown started and we've successfully started and finished plenty of projects. so far there's been one case of C19 on our sites which was one of a clients own IT Team and was easily contained and isolated.

There's good and bad examples for everything in C19 times, and one experience is not representative of all (in both directions).

What site are you guys using for statistics ??

I’ve been using worldometers.com consistently for a good few months now and based on the trends that site reports, things aren’t as bad as other sources suggest. Confirmed infections fluctuating but 23k to 28k range for a good few weeks of the second wave - but 18k today etc.

Deaths in the 100 to 200 range but level etc.

dinny_g wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:14 pm What site are you guys using for statistics ??

I’ve been using worldometers.com consistently for a good few months now and based on the trends that site reports, things aren’t as bad as other sources suggest. Confirmed infections fluctuating but 23k to 28k range for a good few weeks of the second wave - but 18k today etc.

Deaths in the 100 to 200 range but level etc.

Yeah, I use the same one. You have to look back to the equivalent day the previous week to see the trend, and it is up week on week generally, but not exactly flying up.