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Mito Man wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:13 pm I had the same Rich, need to go into settings, NHS covid 19 and then enable all the exposure notification stuff and select ‘set as active region’

However I was just fucking about as I wanted to see how it works and it immediately says I have covid now. Shit.

Did you ever figure this out [mention]Mito Man[/mention]?

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:43 am

Mito Man wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:13 pm I had the same Rich, need to go into settings, NHS covid 19 and then enable all the exposure notification stuff and select ‘set as active region’

However I was just fucking about as I wanted to see how it works and it immediately says I have covid now. Shit.

Did you ever figure this out @Mito Man?

Cex will soon sell out of used phones and the eBay prices will soon go through the roof

I was thinking the other day whilst I was fitting graphics to the inside of a shop window, if I had the app and someone was standing the other side of the window tested positive for corona the next day, I would get a notification saying I'd been very close to someone with covid. The app wouldn't know there was a window in between us. Same as if I were up a ladder or scaffold. From what I've read, there's no way of disputing false notifications, you just have to self isolate.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:43 am
Did you ever figure this out @Mito Man?

Just delete and reinstall and it resets as it removes all the data.

Gwaredd wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:54 am I was thinking the other day whilst I was fitting graphics to the inside of a shop window, if I had the app and someone was standing the other side of the window tested positive for corona the next day, I would get a notification saying I'd been very close to someone with covid. The app wouldn't know there was a window in between us. Same as if I were up a ladder or scaffold. From what I've read, there's no way of disputing false notifications, you just have to self isolate.

The thing is are people actually going to self isolate if they dont get paid to do so? I doubt it.

Looking at the tiny numbers of deaths v positive tests most people will raise the bird to the whole situation. If you don't read or listen to the news the only places you see a reminder of the 'massive pandemic' are shops/pubs/eateries. It's quite easy to avoid these places.

I can see work forcing us to put the app on our work phones.

I wonder how long before the government start getting more forceful with this app.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:58 am I can see work forcing us to put the app on our work phones.

I wonder how long before the government start getting more forceful with this app.

I went out yesterday and got barred from one place due to their shitty attitude to fill in the required apps etc. I wonder how they will recognise people tho with full face coverings?

Broccers wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:13 am

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:58 am I can see work forcing us to put the app on our work phones.

I wonder how long before the government start getting more forceful with this app.

I went out yesterday and got barred from one place due to their shitty attitude to fill in the required apps etc. I wonder how they will recognise people tho with full face coverings?

What type of place was that? Are some places demanding you have the app (apart from the gym you mentioned earlier)?

It's a fairly easy way to spot the kind of fruitloops you probably don't want in your gaff anyway.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:23 am

Broccers wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:13 am

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:58 am I can see work forcing us to put the app on our work phones.

I wonder how long before the government start getting more forceful with this app.

I went out yesterday and got barred from one place due to their shitty attitude to fill in the required apps etc. I wonder how they will recognise people tho with full face coverings?

What type of place was that? Are some places demanding you have the app (apart from the gym you mentioned earlier)?

Small trendy bar with a terrible get your goat demands. Happy to conform and do whats what but don't respond well being talked to like a low iq numpty by a young twenty something. For the record I went in many and 99 percent were great.

You can see why people are reluctant to hand over details, no one really knows how the track and trace thing really works.

If I test positive and tell them I was in a pub on Friday night what then? Assume they contact the pub and get the details from them of everyone who was in that evening.

How accurate is their data? Do they have in/out times so you can see if your path crossed with the infected person? Do they send out blanket isolate instructions to everyone in that evening? Is there any discussion about who you were close to, where you were sat? Not all buildings / pubs / restaurants are the same.

Surprisingly you can still “check in” to new places whilst you’re being told to self isolate which seems really odd. Not sure how it all works still, my dad and I both watched F1 yesterday and downloaded the app together when it turned into a snooze fest. I messed about and got the self-isolation message. But we then did a few jobs together and I sat next to him for dinner but he didn’t get an alert so maybe it only alerts other users if they have a confirmed positive test result via a code you put into the app?

integrale_evo wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:39 am You can see why people are reluctant to hand over details, no one really knows how the track and trace thing really works.

If I test positive and tell them I was in a pub on Friday night what then? Assume they contact the pub and get the details from them of everyone who was in that evening.

There is no consistency. I went into a pub that recorded name and time in, when I was leaving I asked them if they recorded what time I left, and they said no. So if someone riddled with covid could arrive an hour after I left, I presume they have to contact me.

I suspect it will just be a blanket approach - i.e. anybody in that day/morning/night will be contacted and told to self-isolate, definitely with the paper-based systems. Which I have seen people saying are being abused by bars. You'd hope that the electronic systems would be more targeted, but I've not seen how they're designed so don't know.

I thought I'd give it a go on my 4 day old iphone yesterday, apparently I need to upgrade to the latest operating system.

Ascender wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:08 pm I suspect it will just be a blanket approach - i.e. anybody in that day/morning/night will be contacted and told to self-isolate, definitely with the paper-based systems. Which I have seen people saying are being abused by bars. You'd hope that the electronic systems would be more targeted, but I've not seen how they're designed so don't know.

I saw a post on PH but can't find it, of the mapping* of the NHS app. It's fairly simple really, and has the same potential flaws. At present for example there's no means by which to check out of a venue. It does so automatically at midnight, or if you check into another venue. Hence you could have been in somewhere at 2pm and left, and someone riddled with CV19 come in at 9pm, and you'd get pinged to self isolate.

Otherwise it seems as simple as it should be, and anyone freaking about being tracked by the all seeing eye of the Government should take their meds and chill the fvck out a bit.




*excuse my non-IT terminology

We went into our favourite Portuguese cafe on Saturday and they were taking details, but not in/out times. That's so stupid.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:27 pm

Ascender wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:08 pm I suspect it will just be a blanket approach - i.e. anybody in that day/morning/night will be contacted and told to self-isolate, definitely with the paper-based systems. Which I have seen people saying are being abused by bars. You'd hope that the electronic systems would be more targeted, but I've not seen how they're designed so don't know.

I saw a post on PH but can't find it

Found it

That does look pretty basic but is normal for a high level overview of an app and how it interacts with APIs. To be fair, that looks as you'd expect it to for something which is just doing a simple lookup between some tables.

Presumably there's more to the check and analysis piece which will at least compare dates and you'd hope times if its found a match.

Yeah you'd imagine so - I think that was posted on PH in response to the tinfoil hat freemen of the land anti-vaxxers frothing about about it being an invsaion of privacy and they weren't going to be tracked by the Government. Posted from their Apple or Google devices inbetween drooling over images of their favourite nutter Andrew Wakefield and his bird Elle McPherson**...



**Total aside but HTF did THAT happen?