OV9

Orange Cola wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:18 pm So, what does Lewis need to do next time out to secure the championship? I don’t think he actually needs to beat Seb, I think he just needs 6 points on the board and then he can’t be caught.

jamcg wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:57 pm

Orange Cola wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:18 pm So, what does Lewis need to do next time out to secure the championship? I don’t think he actually needs to beat Seb, I think he just needs 6 points on the board and then he can’t be caught.

He just needs to finish 7th or better and it’s done

Brian_T wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:07 pm He really does struggle with pressure.

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:42 am

Brian_T wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:07 pm He really does struggle with pressure.

I don't think he's a "racer". His Red Bull titles were all based on getting pole and buggering off into the distance. He's a fast driver but his racecraft is lacking, as though he never did any karting (despite winning multiple championships).

Gavin wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:05 pm

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:42 am

Brian_T wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:07 pm He really does struggle with pressure.

I don't think he's a "racer". His Red Bull titles were all based on getting pole and buggering off into the distance. He's a fast driver but his racecraft is lacking, as though he never did any karting (despite winning multiple championships).

No, two seasons he had the dominant car by far and that is arguably true. The other two the car was not so far ahead. 2010 he only lead the WDC on the last round.

He can race and he can overtake. What he seems to struggle with is pressure and that seems to hamper him in all areas until the pressure is off then he races really very well. Look at Sunday's race as proof, when he had a chance of getting right up the sharp end he bungled an overtake on Ricciardo and dropped right back but when it looked like all was lost and he had nothing to lose or prove he drove a blinder.

His (Vettel's) driving style really suited the blown diffuser era and he made the most of that when RB were in amongst it for speed but to suggest he cannot race and was gifted his titles is a simplistic nonsense. Why qualify badly and have to overtake when you can get it on pole and leg it?

For me, Vettel is more of a Piquet than a Senna or even a Hamilton, he is bloody fast and on his day possibly unbeatable but he does not seem to have the ability to drag a crap car up the grid like Alonso or Leclerc or Michael used to do.

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:09 pm

Gavin wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:05 pm

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:42 am

I don't think he's a "racer". His Red Bull titles were all based on getting pole and buggering off into the distance. He's a fast driver but his racecraft is lacking, as though he never did any karting (despite winning multiple championships).

No, two seasons he had the dominant car by far and that is arguably true. The other two the car was not so far ahead. 2010 he only lead the WDC on the last round.

He can race and he can overtake. What he seems to struggle with is pressure and that seems to hamper him in all areas until the pressure is off then he races really very well. Look at Sunday's race as proof, when he had a chance of getting right up the sharp end he bungled an overtake on Ricciardo and dropped right back but when it looked like all was lost and he had nothing to lose or prove he drove a blinder.

His (Vettel's) driving style really suited the blown diffuser era and he made the most of that when RB were in amongst it for speed but to suggest he cannot race and was gifted his titles is a simplistic nonsense. Why qualify badly and have to overtake when you can get it on pole and leg it?

For me, Vettel is more of a Piquet than a Senna or even a Hamilton, he is bloody fast and on his day possibly unbeatable but he does not seem to have the ability to drag a crap car up the grid like Alonso or Leclerc or Michael used to do.

I suspect you're conflating "can't race" with "isn't a fast driver". I don't think anyone is suggesting he is an amazingly fast and talented driver. But he absolutely does not have the racecraft of his peers.

Orange Cola wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:40 pm You either pin the brake to stop the backwards momentum turning the engine in the wrong direction and flat spotting the tyres followed by spending ages going back down the box to first gear, open the clutch and use the brake and flat spot the tyres as the speed drops off then spend ages going back down the gearbox to first gear, or you pin the throttle and use that momentum to get the car pointing back in the right direction again and bugger off as soon as possible.

It works because he’s never flat spotted the tyres in those situations and he gets a fair distance out the tyres afterwards.

Marv wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:02 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:09 pm

Gavin wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:05 pm

No, two seasons he had the dominant car by far and that is arguably true. The other two the car was not so far ahead. 2010 he only lead the WDC on the last round.

He can race and he can overtake. What he seems to struggle with is pressure and that seems to hamper him in all areas until the pressure is off then he races really very well. Look at Sunday's race as proof, when he had a chance of getting right up the sharp end he bungled an overtake on Ricciardo and dropped right back but when it looked like all was lost and he had nothing to lose or prove he drove a blinder.

His (Vettel's) driving style really suited the blown diffuser era and he made the most of that when RB were in amongst it for speed but to suggest he cannot race and was gifted his titles is a simplistic nonsense. Why qualify badly and have to overtake when you can get it on pole and leg it?

For me, Vettel is more of a Piquet than a Senna or even a Hamilton, he is bloody fast and on his day possibly unbeatable but he does not seem to have the ability to drag a crap car up the grid like Alonso or Leclerc or Michael used to do.

I suspect you're conflating "can't race" with "isn't a fast driver". I don't think anyone is suggesting he is an amazingly fast and talented driver. But he absolutely does not have the racecraft of his peers.

Comparing him to Leclerc already is a bit weird!

He's undeniably a very talented driver, but I agree, for someone with his experience, he still makes a terrible number of poor judgement calls compared to other champions on the grid.