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Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:31 pm
by Rich B
Marv wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:27 pm
Rich B wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:46 pm
Marv wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:31 pm
They might still count the £15m expenditure as worth it, as from what I understand they gain an advantage for about three seasons by over spending on one.
£15m would be a major breach and as they say - penalties could involve removing championships.
Yeah, sorry to clarify I mean the ~£7.5m they may have over spent in the 2021 season (#speculation), plus the £7.5m fine they'd receive as a fine out of next years budget (if we we're to follow what you're proposing)
id imagine that persistent offending would also count more harshly.
I still think Removing the ability to spend the money twice would surely be the most fair and elegant answer though.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:43 pm
by mik
This feels like the 80’s pop-off valves set at 4bar, but the teams just fitted such big turbots that they could maintain 4.5bar boost even with the FISA provided valve open….
Overspend - get fine - win - who cares we won.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:59 am
by Jimmy Choo
jamcg wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:11 pm
Mclaren were also excluded from the 2007 constructors championship, so even when Lewis came second in the wdc with them they couldn’t score any constructors points, therefore no prize money
As for your suggestion, I’d happily pay to have a go. In my steel toe cap work boots. With a spike welded onto it
No exclusion for the drivers, though but they didn't win the titles (and gifted it to Kimi instead).
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:10 am
by John
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:20 am
by dinny_g
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:21 am
by Mito Man
Funny that Brawn announced his retirement a few weeks ago, probably as the magnitude of this shit show became apparent. Can't blame him as he always seemed like a decent person to me whereas many people in the FIA have more dubious morals.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:58 pm
by John
Amazing driving from Vettel in the last few corners
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:38 pm
by teacherboy
Great from Vettel
Good riddance to Latifi because he's actually a menace on the track
Hamilton did great but Red Bull waaaaaaaay too fast
Well done George Russell for getting fastest lap
Does anyone else want to throw grenades at Verstappen, Horner and Marko
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:00 pm
by Mito Man
Good race, Hamilton must have been driving the wheels off that.
Weirdly I thought Sainz was more to blame for the lap 1 incident than George? He turned in suddenly away from the normal racing line. I’d have put it down as a normal lap 1 incident with no penalty.
Stroll showing he’s an idiot again, how the hell did Alonso keep on going and finish in the points.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:07 pm
by teacherboy
Mito Man wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:00 pm
Good race, Hamilton must have been driving the wheels off that.
Weirdly I thought Sainz was more to blame for the lap 1 incident than George? He turned in suddenly away from the normal racing line. I’d have put it down as a normal lap 1 incident with no penalty.
Stroll showing he’s an idiot again, how the hell did Alonso keep on going and finish in the points.
I had Russell/Sainz as a racing incident - cold tyres/brakes + defending a position he knew he had lost - sad Sainz went out however as he would have beaten Verstappen
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:27 am
by jamcg
Alonso pushed out the points by a 30 second penalty. Haas protested him being allowed to continue racing with his mirror flapping about and not getting a black and orange flag. Which they’ve had three times this year, so I understand their annoyance. Haas contacted race control twice during the race and they were ignored at the time
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... c9R9V.html
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:19 am
by tim
I reckon by the final race Vettel will fully look like he's been deserted on an Island for the past 10 years.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:17 pm
by mik
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:59 pm
by IanF
Apparently Red Bull have signed an Accepted Breach Agreement, with punishment to be meted out tomorrow..
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:05 am
by jamcg
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:14 pm
by duncs500
I'm just trying to think of another sport that allows the competitors to overtly negotiate penalties with the governing body of the sport.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:15 pm
by duncs500
Red Bull have been hit with a $7m (£6.07m) fine and a 10% reduction in permitted aerodynamic research for breaking Formula 1's budget cap.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:27 pm
by Rich B
Bargain, £7m should come out of the following years budget though.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:34 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
Probably worth it given the gains they've made on the field.
Probably not worth the other teams trying to now do the same. The £7m would probably be a risk worth taking, but less so the aero research time loss.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:50 pm
by duncs500
I just don't know how easy it is to enforce the reduction in aero development. As you say though @Swervin_Mervin with it being a fundamental change in aero concept last year they've already reaped much of the rewards.