OV9

De Vries showing how well and truly shite Latifi is.

Yep that was one of the more enjoyable aspects of the race. I get that he’s a pay driver but this is meant to be the 20 best drivers in the world so it’s not a good look when that happens. Surely he must get the boot as he must be costing more in lost points and destroyed cars.
Only thing I can liken it to would be an independent school or one of the better unis in which case you’d also get the boot for being shit and dragging the overall place down the league tables down despite paying for your seat

I think this says a lot more about how far Williams has come as a team than the drivers. Doesn’t take away how impressive nyck was today

End of race organisation awful.

Jost Capito came across really well in the interview with Chris Harris, makes me think he's had a big role to play in the gradual improvement we've seen in Williams. Hopefully more to come.

Very impressive from NdV to come in and be on the pace straight away too.

How on earth is Latifi going to deal with someone who looks like the child in "Bring your kids to work day" having one session in the car, out qualifying him and getting points when he couldn't?

De Vries is also the only person in 40 years to drive for two different teams in the same weekend!

mik wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 pm End of race organisation awful.

How so? If this was a middle of the race incident they wouldn't have red flagged it. I think this was what should have happened in Abu Dhabi last year. It sucks but that's what happens.

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:48 am

mik wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 pm End of race organisation awful.

How so? If this was a middle of the race incident they wouldn't have red flagged it. I think this was what should have happened in Abu Dhabi last year. It sucks but that's what happens.

+1

It's all about consistency. Sure, we all want exciting sports, but referees/umpires/race directors should apply the rules consistently and without any consideration of the spectacle, otherwise it's no longer a sport.

If something can be done to the rules to help with it, then that's different, they can apply new rules.

duncs500 wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:58 am

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:48 am

mik wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 pm End of race organisation awful.

How so? If this was a middle of the race incident they wouldn't have red flagged it. I think this was what should have happened in Abu Dhabi last year. It sucks but that's what happens.

+1

It's all about consistency. Sure, we all want exciting sports, but referees/umpires/race directors should apply the rules consistently and without any consideration of the spectacle, otherwise it's no longer a sport.

If something can be done to the rules to help with it, then that's different, they can apply new rules.

Agreed. This is what should have happened in Abu Dhabi and what should have happened here too, even though it wasn't very exciting.

I think Ferrari played their best strategy for once, but Verstappen is in another league at the moment unfortunately.

Anyone else suspicious that Ferrari are doing something a bit naughty on Saturdays? It’s a bit odd that they have a car which is so much faster during quali but then its race pace is barely better than the Mercedes.

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:48 am

mik wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 pm End of race organisation awful.

How so? If this was a middle of the race incident they wouldn't have red flagged it. I think this was what should have happened in Abu Dhabi last year. It sucks but that's what happens.

Taking seeveral laps to get to the point where the lead car was behind the s/c, and then the subsequent disorganisation over some lapped drivers not passing the s/c to form up. Shouldn't have taken 4-5 laps for that to happen. Clearly there was some mis-communication going on.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:05 am

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:48 am

mik wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 pm End of race organisation awful.

How so? If this was a middle of the race incident they wouldn't have red flagged it. I think this was what should have happened in Abu Dhabi last year. It sucks but that's what happens.

Taking seeveral laps to get to the point where the elad car was behind the s/c, and then the subsequent disorganisation over some lapped drivers not passing the s/c to form up. Shouldn't have taken 4-5 laps for that to happen. Clearly there was some mis-communication going on.

Even so, the stricken car wasn't moved for ages, so I don't think there was a chance to race really. Usually cars are allowed to unlap themselves once the hazard is clear I believe? Doing it all in a proper controlled manner I don't see how the race could have got going, but I could be wrong. Would have to watch it again to be sure.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:05 am

Jimmy Choo wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:48 am

mik wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 pm End of race organisation awful.

How so? If this was a middle of the race incident they wouldn't have red flagged it. I think this was what should have happened in Abu Dhabi last year. It sucks but that's what happens.

Taking seeveral laps to get to the point where the elad car was behind the s/c, and then the subsequent disorganisation over some lapped drivers not passing the s/c to form up. Shouldn't have taken 4-5 laps for that to happen. Clearly there was some mis-communication going on.

Kinda what Mike said. It is reasonable that recovery vehicles aren't always in the perfect place to quickly pull a stricken car off the circuit, but given that they then spent a LOT of laps running behind the safety car - the lapped cars should have unlapped themselves. In this case there wasn't time for a restart, but there could have been, and Charly should therefore have been located directly behind the Stapp without any cars in between - as per the roolz non?

I thought cars shouldn't unlap until the hazard is clear? Surely the point of running behind the safety car is to maintain the cars bunched up and at a constant low speed.

Happy to be corrected. Maybe it's based on risk, but that car wasn't in a very safe spot.

It was a perfect series of unfortunate events. The safety car came out at the right time but Max missed his first opportunity to pit as he just went past the pit lane as the safety car was announced.
Next lap Max pits and rejoins in the lead but is out of position and Russell ends up behind the safety car. He cannot overtake the safety car as there is a hazard on track.
More laps go past and the McLaren is finally cleared so then Russell and others can overtake safety car.
Then they’re simply out of time.
After that you’d also need to have the lapped cars unlap themselves which I don’t think we even got to.

If the hazard is a single stopped car then there shouldn’t be a reason why other cars can’t go quickly to catch the pack ( with no passing ) for the rest of the track. Obviously you don’t want cars speeding past while marshals and other vehicles are on track.

Also don’t know why they can’t add a few laps on the end like a lot of other series’ do. Say a max of three laps if there’s a safety car within ten laps of the end of the race. Sure, they may have to add a little extra fuel at the start, but I imagine the laps under a safety car use a heck of a lot less than a flat out lap, and would be up to the team to gamble whether they add any extra in case or not.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:02 am Anyone else suspicious that Ferrari are doing something a bit naughty on Saturdays? It’s a bit odd that they have a car which is so much faster during quali but then its race pace is barely better than the Mercedes.

It’s just that it chews the tyres isn’t it? They’ve already said so themselves several times so I guess they’re having to manage them pretty much the entire race to give decent stint lengths.

Mito Man wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:48 am More laps go past and the McLaren is finally cleared so then Russell and others can overtake safety car.
Then they’re simply out of time.
After that you’d also need to have the lapped cars unlap themselves which I don’t think we even got to.

Yeah they can't unlap themselves until the hazard has been removed - we did get to that point, and many cars went past the safety car, but when Stapp came up behind it he placed his car on the other side of the circuit rather than behind and started weaving about. My understanding is that Bottas - who was lapped - should have gone past at this point. Which possibly didn't look a very attractive proposition at the time (?).

All moot as we didn't get going, but I don't think it was as-per-rules

mik wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:56 am

Mito Man wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:48 am More laps go past and the McLaren is finally cleared so then Russell and others can overtake safety car.
Then they’re simply out of time.
After that you’d also need to have the lapped cars unlap themselves which I don’t think we even got to.

Yeah they can't unlap themselves until the hazard has been removed - we did get to that point, and many cars went past the safety car, but when Stapp came up behind it he placed his car on the other side of the circuit rather than behind and started weaving about. My understanding is that Bottas - who was lapped - should have gone past at this point. Which possibly didn't look a very attractive proposition at the time (?).

All moot as we didn't get going, but I don't think it was as-per-rules

I'm guessing he was within his rights to weave however much and where he did, after all a couple drivers got a slap on the wrist for driving erratically during that safety car period?
I think all the rules were followed correctly though. The only mistake may have been Russell taking too long to overtake the safety car as he couldn't tell what colour the lights were or something like that? But doubtful it would have gone on too long as he was then told on the radio to do it.

Maybe they should just red flag the race if there's a safety car out with 10% of the race remaining. Black and white clear rule then.

https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/30a27c ... alex-albon

Blimey.