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Beany wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:48 am Oh, and after Musks little darling being banned for breaking twitters hate speech/incitement rules a few weeks ago, which Musk giddily rolled back and was very proud of, Ye is banned again. For exactly the same thing.

I can see why you people think Musk's playing 5D chess, this is masterful stuff

The only way this makes any sense is if Musk is trying to sink twitter, which I'm sure will be the next post-hoc rationalisation of his desperately stupid ideas.

The way it makes sense, Beany, is that Musk is unconcerned about getting things wrong, unlike most people on this forum I can see how that's hard to understand on a forum which fetishises 'being right' and popularised the initialism 'DIW'.

He paid too much for Twitter, he revamped Twitter blue too quickly with issues and sacked people that he later needed back. There's loads of examples of him DIW. It's great to see his errors, which also shows how we fundamentally disagree on this thread, because I see his fuck-ups as a pathway to development, whereas many of you see them as a pathway to failure. The measure will be in 6-12 months+ when we can see the long-term impacts of what he's done. He might tank Twitter, or he might grow it. However, I'm more interested in the journey, rather than the outcome.

Out of interest, what has Elon done with Twitter so far that you would consider DIR?

I'm sure I've said this before but if Musk was playing with a start up in his shed then I would agree with Gav but the way he's doing this is fucking with people's livelihoods. He didn't buy a toy.

ETA Considering that Tesla has dropped $100 off it's share price since the start of Oct, I don't think that us faceless keyboard warriors are the only ones who think that the shine is coming off Elon

Beany wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:48 am The only way this makes any sense is if Musk is trying to sink twitter, which I'm sure will be the next post-hoc rationalisation of his desperately stupid ideas.

There's no way he's trying to sink Twitter. He's taken on a lot of debt to acquire it, which we know from the litigation he would have preferred not to have done. I cannot imagine all of the funders would have been happy that Twitter was the only security for their advance, so he has almost certainly been required to give security over his other investments: Tesla shares being the obvious fairly solid investment. If he defaults on the debt his Tesla shares will be at risk too.

This is a man who might well be trying everything in a hurry with seemingly no plan, but make no mistake: he would lose out personally if Twitter crashed. This isn't a pump-and-dump opportunity for him to diddle his investors and buy the platform debt-free for a tiny percentage of the $44bn.

I’m still constantly surprised that Beany isn’t in charge of the whole thing.

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:58 am Out of interest, what has Elon done with Twitter so far that you would consider DIR?

Here's a few to start with from the top of my head. He's increased total monthly users, made major progress in removing child abuse from the platform, monetised blue ticks with verification (blue ticks will be manually verified + CC), and of course he's reduced overheads by somewhere in the region of half a billion dollars per annum by making necessary layofs, whilst the the website still operates exactly the same as before. I'm sure there's lots more successes if we Googled it.

tim wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:07 pm I’m still constantly surprised that Beany isn’t in charge of the whole thing.

They couldn't handle my level of correctness. End of.

Gavster wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:16 pm

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:58 am Out of interest, what has Elon done with Twitter so far that you would consider DIR?

Here's a few to start with from the top of my head. He's increased total monthly users, made major progress in removing child abuse from the platform, monetised blue ticks with verification (blue ticks will be manually verified + CC), and of course he's reduced overheads by somewhere in the region of half a billion dollars per annum by making necessary layofs, whilst the the website still operates exactly the same as before. I'm sure there's lots more successes if we Googled it.

I'd still be surprised if the child porn thing wasn't something that Twitter already did. It only became worth mentioning when daddy Elon was involved.

ZedLeg wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:34 pm

Gavster wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:16 pm

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:58 am Out of interest, what has Elon done with Twitter so far that you would consider DIR?

Here's a few to start with from the top of my head. He's increased total monthly users, made major progress in removing child abuse from the platform, monetised blue ticks with verification (blue ticks will be manually verified + CC), and of course he's reduced overheads by somewhere in the region of half a billion dollars per annum by making necessary layofs, whilst the the website still operates exactly the same as before. I'm sure there's lots more successes if we Googled it.

I'd still be surprised if the child porn thing wasn't something that Twitter already did. It only became worth mentioning when daddy Elon was involved.

Before Musk:


After Musk


Twitter was being sued by child abuse victims... they were doing a very bad job of it.

She is a huge advocate for child victims and supports Musk's work escalating efforts in this area

Gavster wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:16 pm

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:58 am Out of interest, what has Elon done with Twitter so far that you would consider DIR?

Here's a few to start with from the top of my head. He's increased total monthly users, made major progress in removing child abuse from the platform, monetised blue ticks with verification (blue ticks will be manually verified + CC), and of course he's reduced overheads by somewhere in the region of half a billion dollars per annum by making necessary layofs, whilst the the website still operates exactly the same as before. I'm sure there's lots more successes if we Googled it.

I guess like you say, we'll need to wait 6-12 months to see if these pan out.

These points could also be (and I'm not saying they 100% are this, just that there's a possibility for discussion purposes only before you get angry!)

- increased total users with a load of people watching the car crash then losing interest
- with child abuse, is Musk actually telling the truth, plenty of people don't think there's anything more happening than before
- the new verification charge has reduced the number of worthy people who should be verified but aren't, and promoted a load of useless people to the top of each comments.
- the layoffs don't work out and things start breaking

Be a shame if monitoring and prosecuting this stuff was more complicated than just a hashtag or two, eh? And if Twitter had, through firings and people leaving due to Musks atrocious managemen style, left just a skeleton crew to deal with such a complex problem.


https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... xual-abuse

Oh dear.

Beany wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:19 pm Be a shame if monitoring and prosecuting this stuff was more complicated than just a hashtag or two, eh? And if Twitter had, through firings and people leaving due to Musks atrocious managemen style, left just a skeleton crew to deal with such a complex problem.


https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... xual-abuse

Oh dear.

If they had such a great and big team before why were they letting hashtags trend, images and video to remain, as is demonstrable by the evidence?

drcarlos wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:31 pm

Beany wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:19 pm Be a shame if monitoring and prosecuting this stuff was more complicated than just a hashtag or two, eh? And if Twitter had, through firings and people leaving due to Musks atrocious managemen style, left just a skeleton crew to deal with such a complex problem.


https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... xual-abuse

Oh dear.

If they had such a great and big team before why were they letting hashtags trend, images and video to remain, as is demonstrable by the evidence?

I wonder if they purposely leave and monitor the easier routes to stop it being forced underground further. You've got a better chance of catching and stopping the abusers if they can be found and traced. (Could also be bollocks and they were just shit at their jobs).

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:35 pm

drcarlos wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:31 pm

Beany wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:19 pm Be a shame if monitoring and prosecuting this stuff was more complicated than just a hashtag or two, eh? And if Twitter had, through firings and people leaving due to Musks atrocious managemen style, left just a skeleton crew to deal with such a complex problem.


https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... xual-abuse

Oh dear.

If they had such a great and big team before why were they letting hashtags trend, images and video to remain, as is demonstrable by the evidence?

I wonder if they purposely leave and monitor the easier routes to stop it being forced underground further. You've got a better chance of catching and stopping the abusers if they can be found and traced. (Could also be bollocks and they were just shit at their jobs).

You are correct that these Honeypot strategies are an effective cyber security tactic, however if someone complained about something specific as has happened you would categorically not leave it in place to cause further suffering to the victim.

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:48 pm

Gavster wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:16 pm

Rich B wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:58 am Out of interest, what has Elon done with Twitter so far that you would consider DIR?

Here's a few to start with from the top of my head. He's increased total monthly users, made major progress in removing child abuse from the platform, monetised blue ticks with verification (blue ticks will be manually verified + CC), and of course he's reduced overheads by somewhere in the region of half a billion dollars per annum by making necessary layofs, whilst the the website still operates exactly the same as before. I'm sure there's lots more successes if we Googled it.

I guess like you say, we'll need to wait 6-12 months to see if these pan out.

These points could also be (and I'm not saying they 100% are this, just that there's a possibility for discussion purposes only before you get angry!)

- increased total users with a load of people watching the car crash then losing interest
- with child abuse, is Musk actually telling the truth, plenty of people don't think there's anything more happening than before
- the new verification charge has reduced the number of worthy people who should be verified but aren't, and promoted a load of useless people to the top of each comments.
- the layoffs don't work out and things start breaking

All absolutely possible too.

Leave the child abusers on twitter so they openly expose themselves and are more easily traced. Preferable to them using fully encrypted services.

You're all very invested in this. I don't know how you manage to give such a crap about a SM platform

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:21 pm You're all very invested in this. I don't know how you manage to give such a crap about a SM platform

it's just something to talk about.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:21 pm You're all very invested in this. I don't know how you manage to give such a crap about a SM platform

I just like to laugh at arseholes making fools of themselves