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Gwaredd wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:37 pm mustard trousers

I bet that stings a bit in the nethers.

I don’t think Farage should be too proud; 31.6% of the vote before Scotland and NI declare is less than the Lib Dems plus the Greens; together they’re the unequivocal Remain parties, even without adding Change UK’s 3.4%, which almost directly offsets UKIP’s 3.3%.

Yes, I said you can’t extrapolate a leave/remain vote properly from the results but when I posted about that above, I really thought that the Brexit Party would get much closer to 40%. Farage’s talk about contesting a general election is such braggadocio; even ignoring the lack of policies, this level of support would not give him a majority in a general election and the harsh reality is it took him years to get a seat for UKIP.

The stupid thing about our constitution is the fact that the Tories can decide the next PM (again) internally with no public vote. At least they don’t have a majority so can’t force anything through Parliament. Theresa’s wasted couple of years have at least set the boundaries of what can and can’t be done by the Government under prerogative powers. We could see Boris giving a revocation notice

From the BBC:

“Anti-Brexit parties - those in favour of another referendum - collectively took about 40% of the vote, compared with 35% for the two parties in favour of leaving the EU without a deal.”

It’s still impossible to extrapolate though. Turnout is so low compared to the 2016 referendum, and who knows how the Conservative and Labour voters would actually vote in a second referendum, or whether there is a core of Lib Dem and Green voters who would prefer to leave but chose their usual party? This wasn’t actually a single issue vote despite Farage’s publicity trying to make it so.

If we did stay in, it’s depressing who our MEPs will be

Also nice to see that Tommy Robinson lost his deposit with only 2.24%, coming 8th out of 11 candidates. He claims he “wasn’t able to get his message across” thanks to his social media bans. I’d suggest he got his message across just fine. I ended up chucking out 3 of his leaflets, more than I got for any other candidate, and I didn’t see any of the other north-west candidates on national TV, either.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-16335921

Jobbo wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 8:31 am It’s still impossible to extrapolate though. Turnout is so low compared to the 2016 referendum, and who knows how the Conservative and Labour voters would actually vote in a second referendum, or whether there is a core of Lib Dem and Green voters who would prefer to leave but chose their usual party? This wasn’t actually a single issue vote despite Farage’s publicity trying to make it so.

If we did stay in, it’s depressing who our MEPs will be

Yep, but still shows how divided we all are, which is the most depressing part.

Doesn't look very divided to me at all

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 8:32 am Also nice to see that Tommy Robinson lost his deposit with only 2.24%, coming 8th out of 11 candidates. He claims he “wasn’t able to get his message across” thanks to his social media bans. I’d suggest he got his message across just fine. I ended up chucking out 3 of his leaflets, more than I got for any other candidate, and I didn’t see any of the other north-west candidates on national TV, either.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-16335921

Aye the collapse of the Kippers has been fun to watch. Shame it looks like the voters jumped to The Brexit Party, shows how much of it is just a cult of personality around Farage.

evostick wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 9:23 am Doesn't look very divided to me at all

That image completely fails to represent the large number of Lib Dem MEPs. The MEPs actually elected are also utterly irrelevant to the level of support for leave or remain.

Quite ironic that a Brexiter should crow about their MEPs winning seats

Of course IDGAF about MEPs although the eu parliament will undoubtedly be a more entertaining place going forward.

Politics has always divided people. What I'm seeing here is the voice of a clear majority of the public in favour of one sole course of action. Leaving the EU asap and to hell with the consequences.

The division lies between everyone else who seemingly can agree on an alternative course of action.

evostick wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 12:15 pm What I'm seeing here is the voice of a clear majority of the public in favour of one sole course of action.

I agree. 40% of the vote for Remain vs 35% for Hard Brexit is very clear and they should just get on with withdrawing Article 50.

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 12:23 pm

evostick wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 12:15 pm What I'm seeing here is the voice of a clear majority of the public in favour of one sole course of action.

I agree. 40% of the vote for Remain vs 35% for Hard Brexit is very clear and they should just get on with withdrawing Article 50.

It's a shame that your spurious 40% can't all get it together and vote for one party with one common goal. You might get your way.

As it is. You're fucked.

Spurious?

“With 10 of the 12 regions having declared, the total for the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Change UK was 5.95million.
That is compared with 5.79million for the Brexit Party and Ukip.”

NotoriousREV wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 12:38 pm Spurious?

“With 10 of the 12 regions having declared, the total for the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Change UK was 5.95million.
That is compared with 5.79million for the Brexit Party and Ukip.”

Spurious as in you've cobbled together the vote share for three separate political parties, none of which is a single issue party, to try and claim that you have some kind of mandate by majority.

I agree with you, it doesn’t show a mandate. We’d better have that 2nd referendum. I’m happy we’re so closely aligned on this.

Given the make up of the vote was 35% clear hard Brexit it would only take 1 in 5 of the others to be pro leave for a remain/hard Brexit referendum to result in leave.

If there was a vote on that tomorrow I can't see any other outcome.

So we can conclude the 51% majority of leave is now down to 35%. Fucking awesome.

Orange Cola wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 3:10 pm So we can conclude the 51% majority of leave is now down to 35%. Fucking awesome.

LOL you can conclude that if youre daft

Broccers wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 3:11 pm

Orange Cola wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 3:10 pm So we can conclude the 51% majority of leave is now down to 35%. Fucking awesome.

LOL you can conclude that if youre daft

It was tongue in cheek, you can have that for free