Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:03 am
In think if I were in that position I'd be more tumescent baguette than batard 
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Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:39 am
That’s what a €30 billion net worth gets you.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:52 am
...but is he happy
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:18 am
I went a few years back
I’m so torn about it.
I respect the craftsmanship and the history.
But being there filled me with such disgust. Outside there are beggars literally starving. Inside there’s arts and gold worth who knows what. I hated it so much
I guess my issues lie with the gross hypocrisy of the church and not with the building
I hope they rebuild it
I’m so torn about it.
I respect the craftsmanship and the history.
But being there filled me with such disgust. Outside there are beggars literally starving. Inside there’s arts and gold worth who knows what. I hated it so much
I guess my issues lie with the gross hypocrisy of the church and not with the building
I hope they rebuild it
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:27 am
What, pray tell, does that have to do with the Catholic Church. It isn't 1650 and it isn't their responsibility to provide a welfare net for the disadvantaged of Paris. Direct your ire at the French state if you must. The same French state that taxes and spends very nearly half of GDP.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:11 pm
Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?
From the pictures and reports it would seem to be in far better nick than initially assumed which is good news, hopefully it can be restored as it is certainly a beautiful building.
From the pictures and reports it would seem to be in far better nick than initially assumed which is good news, hopefully it can be restored as it is certainly a beautiful building.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:17 pm
They’re crowdfunding from billionaires right now.
The Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations so I do find it odd that they’re constantly moaning about maintenance costs and seemingly never help out with charitable contributions when there is a disaster.
The Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations so I do find it odd that they’re constantly moaning about maintenance costs and seemingly never help out with charitable contributions when there is a disaster.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:31 pm
I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.
Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.
If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.
Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.
If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:36 pm
Many years ago I used to work for a high street bank and they didn't insure most of their branches (the buildings anyway) - they'd rather carry the risk that once in a while something happens, than pay £££s in premiums every year.Gavin wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:11 pm Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?
From the pictures and reports it would seem to be in far better nick than initially assumed which is good news, hopefully it can be restored as it is certainly a beautiful building.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:05 pm
If it is insured, it’s probably insured by a group of insurers
Often very expensive things are insured by groups of insurers rather than just Lloyd’s of London (as an example). This is the case with the ISS, which if catastrophically damaged, would ruin most insurers, so different companies insure percentages of it
Often very expensive things are insured by groups of insurers rather than just Lloyd’s of London (as an example). This is the case with the ISS, which if catastrophically damaged, would ruin most insurers, so different companies insure percentages of it
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:40 pm
I am fairly sure the RC Church is a massive landowner and landlord so I am sure they have more than enough money rolling in or could rent out relics to museums etc etc. I am sad an Historically significant building has been damaged but I cannot find much sympathy for the RC Church as an organisation.GG. wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:31 pm I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.
Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.
If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.
Hm, edited to add, who actually owns it? Seems it might be a French National Monument? In the same way as no doubt Windsor Palace belongs to the UK public.....
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:47 pm
That wasnt me! Someone must have reversed into me in the space park!Richard wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:05 pm If it is insured, it’s probably insured by a group of insurers
Often very expensive things are insured by groups of insurers rather than just Lloyd’s of London (as an example). This is the case with the ISS, which if catastrophically damaged, would ruin most insurers, so different companies insure percentages of it
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:47 pm
They own plenty of very large office buildings in London and all the other major cities. I imagine the rent they earn worldwide must make the Crown Estate look pretty worthless in comparison.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:54 pm
I know right, it's not like Jesus ever said anything about helping those less well off than you or the evils of hoarding wealthGG. wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:27 am What, pray tell, does that have to do with the Catholic Church. It isn't 1650 and it isn't their responsibility to provide a welfare net for the disadvantaged of Paris. Direct your ire at the French state if you must. The same French state that taxes and spends very nearly half of GDP.
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:17 pm
This whole event has been such a tragedy. Thankfully they have managed to save a lot of stuff.GG. wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:31 pm I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.
Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.
If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.
On the subject of the Catholic church, they've usually got plenty of cash to pay off victims of the many paedo priests that they protect.
I always find it a disgrace that the Catholic church in particular can plead poverty and ask people to pay for what it should be covering from its vast coffers.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:42 pm
It's what they've been doing best for centuries.McSwede wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:17 pmThis whole event has been such a tragedy. Thankfully they have managed to save a lot of stuff.GG. wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:31 pm I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.
Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.
If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.
On the subject of the Catholic church, they've usually got plenty of cash to pay off victims of the many paedo priests that they protect.
I always find it a disgrace that the Catholic church in particular can plead poverty and ask people to pay for what it should be covering from its vast coffers.
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:39 am
Gavin wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:40 pm...or could rent out relics to museums etc etc.GG. wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:31 pm I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.
Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.
If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.
As though museums have any fucking money whatsoever!Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:29 am
Gavin wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:11 pm Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?
The small print; "does not cover acts of God".
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:09 am
nuttinnew wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:29 amGavin wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:11 pm Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?
The small print; "does not cover acts of God".
Re: Notre-Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:47 am
Notre-Dame is owned by the State and leased to the Guild of Peados for free.
I found a fantastic thread on Twitter where some fairyist proclaimed it a miracle that the cross and alter were saved, praise be, and then got burned (lol) by the science of melting points of gold and burning temp of wood based fires.
I found a fantastic thread on Twitter where some fairyist proclaimed it a miracle that the cross and alter were saved, praise be, and then got burned (lol) by the science of melting points of gold and burning temp of wood based fires.