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dinny_g wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 11:17 am Yeah I think it was a Mazda 626 where it first appeared so by no means new at all.

do you think you could get it confused if you drive at exactly 42 to 43 miles per hour and sawed at the wheel...

Edit - it was the Honda Pelude in 1987

My Superstrada had rear wheel steer, and it was manufactured in 1982.

Granted it was caused by the lower wishbone corroding through and the front section bending under load, so the subsequent steering angle wasn't tightly controlled, but I definitely felt it steering when it was.... erm.... active.

mik wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 11:29 am

My Superstrada had rear wheel steer, and it was manufactured in 1982.

Granted it was caused by the lower wishbone corroding through and the front section bending under load, so the subsequent steering angle wasn't tightly controlled, but I definitely felt it steering when it was.... erm.... active.

Before I bought my Escort RS turbo what I really wanted was a Strada Arbarth 130 TC but they were a rare car back then even when fairly new. I did go and view one but the drivers door dropped when I opened it due to corrosion and it wasn't even that old.

John wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 12:08 pm
Before I bought my Escort RS turbo what I really wanted was a Strada Arbarth 130 TC

Rust on them was truly awful. I also lusted after the 130TC, but the silly gearing (5th was only 20mph/1000rpm) was a big put-off, as was the 23mpg they apparently achieved (partly via gearing, partly via sticking with a carb).

My dad said a few weeks ago he noticed someone staring intently as he was parking in the supermarket. He gets out the car and the person tells him there may be something wrong with his car as the rear wheels are pointing the wrong way

dinny_g wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 11:17 am Yeah I think it was a Mazda 626 where it first appeared so by no means new at all.

do you think you could get it confused if you drive at exactly 42 to 43 miles per hour and sawed at the wheel...

Edit - it was the Honda Pelude in 1987

The Prelude 2.0i-16 was indeed the first - it was the Barry generation. The 626 came out with it almost the same time though, and the Honda's was mechanical so steered the same way at small steering angles and the opposite way at larger steering angles while the Mazda's operated more like modern systems.

Anyway, nearly 40 years ago

Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 11:10 am Even Lego cars had it over 30 years ago so it's not a massively advanced technology

Lego Technic 8880

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 2:03 pm

Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 11:10 am Even Lego cars had it over 30 years ago so it's not a massively advanced technology

Lego Technic 8880

Dave!

Still got my boxed 8880 @ 5% annual growth doing better than my savings.

The 928 has passive rear wheel steer via the Weissach rear axle set-up.

mik wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 12:16 pm

John wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 12:08 pm
Before I bought my Escort RS turbo what I really wanted was a Strada Arbarth 130 TC

Rust on them was truly awful. I also lusted after the 130TC, but the silly gearing (5th was only 20mph/1000rpm) was a big put-off, as was the 23mpg they apparently achieved (partly via gearing, partly via sticking with a carb).

A friend from school inherited a MK2 Opel Kadett with the boot floor completely rusted through. There was no panel left, just a hole and the ground underneath. It was a bit awkward trying to explain that when he was stopped by the police.