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ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:53 pm It’s amazing what Elon’s money can do when he’s kept well away from the work

I was an intern at SpaceX years ago, back it when it was a much smaller company — after Elon got hair plugs, but before his cult of personality was in full swing. I have some insight to offer here.

Back when I was at SpaceX, Elon was basically a child king. He was an important figurehead who provided the company with the money, power, and PR, but he didn’t have the knowledge or (frankly) maturity to handle day-to-day decision making and everyone knew that. He was surrounded by people whose job was, essentially, to manipulate him into making good decisions.

Managing Elon was a huge part of the company culture. Even I, as a lowly intern, would hear people talking about it openly in meetings. People knew how to present ideas in a way that would resonate with him, they knew how to creatively reinterpret (or ignore) his many insane demands, and they even knew how to “stage manage” parts of the physical office space so that it would appeal to Elon.

The funniest example of “stage management” I can remember is this dude on the IT security team. He had a script running in a terminal on one of his monitors that would output random garbage, Matrix-style, so that it always looked like he was doing Important Computer Things to anyone who walked by his desk. Second funniest was all the people I saw playing WoW at their desks after ~5pm, who did it in the office just to give the appearance that they were working late.

People were willing to do that at SpaceX because Elon was giving them the money (and hype) to get into outer space, a mission people cared deeply about. The company also grew with and around Elon. There were layers of management between individual employees and Elon, and those managers were experienced managers of Elon. Again, I cannot stress enough how much of the company culture was oriented around managing this one guy.

Twitter has neither of those things going for it. There is no company culture or internal structure around the problem of managing Elon Musk, and I think for the first time we’re seeing what happens when people actually take that man seriously and at face value. Worse, they’re doing this little experiment after this man has had decades of success at companies that dedicate significant resources to protecting themselves from him, and he’s too narcissistic to realize it.

This post is long so I’ll leave you with my favorite Elon story. One day at work, I got an all hands email telling me that it was Elon’s birthday and there was going to be a mandatory surprise party for him in the cafeteria. Presumably Elon also got this email, but whatever. We all marched down into the cafeteria, dimmed the lights, and waited. Elon was led out by his secretary (who he hadn’t fired yet) and made a big show of being fake surprised and touched that we were there. Then they wheeled out the cake.

OK, so, I want you to imagine the biggest penis cake you’ve ever seen. Like the king of novelty sex cakes. Only it’s frosted white, and the balls have been frosted to look like fire and smoke. This was Elon’s birthday “rocket” cake.

For as long as I live, I will never forget the look on everyone’s face — in that dark room of mostly-male engineers — when he made a wish and cut into the tip.

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:49 pm I think the problem with how Musk has got his funding is how dishonest he is about it.

Taking billions from the US government while trying to undermine them, so he can get billions more from the new guy is exactly the kind of scummy behaviour you would expect from him.

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:58 pm I’m not sure that anyone else bought a social media company so he could actively control the content people see.

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:06 pm Also when I call other capitalists cunts I don’t get a million sweaty dudes telling me how they’re going to save the world

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:35 pm I’m torn tbh. I love to see us looking at space but it’s a lot of money to be spending on rockets when there’s so much wrong here.

I’d rather see governments spend the money on making sure their populations will survive the year.

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:35 pm I’m torn tbh. I love to see us looking at space but it’s a lot of money to be spending on rockets when there’s so much wrong here.

I’d rather see governments spend the money on making sure their populations will survive the year.

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:59 pm also, deep space travel is even more remote than that. We haven’t even figured out how we would fuel long distance space ships.

duncs500 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:01 pm

ZedLeg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:35 pm I’m torn tbh. I love to see us looking at space but it’s a lot of money to be spending on rockets when there’s so much wrong here.

I’d rather see governments spend the money on making sure their populations will survive the year.

I've had the same debates with mates over the years. I get it, but I also think whilst space travel is a big investment it would probably barely make any discernable difference to world poverty, and I think that is probably a lot more of a complex problem on a macroeconomic level that just pure money anyway.

Besides that, suppose we invested all that money and more in creating a utopian society, we're a pretty fragile species and it wouldn't take much of an event either cosmically or just globally to wipe us out, so we could just reach utopia and then it all be for nothing. My thinking is the sooner we can cover off that risk the better.

Mito Man wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:07 pm There's a lot of assumptions going on here and you chaps have far more faith in the generosity of wealthy governments/individuals than I do.
If we didn't have money being spent on rockets, somehow I can't see it ever being spent on poverty instead. Because the purpose of one is an ongoing investment to generate further wealth, whereas the purpose of the other is to give away wealth.