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The government hates stoves but I reckon its more because they can't tax logs rather than due to emissions.

We're in an SCA and it seems to make no difference. See people burning all sorts of shite all the time. Reported the local allotments last year and my neighbour the year before. Made no difference.

nuttinnew wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:41 pm

Holley wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:42 pm Plus it's Christmassy

Biased?

100%!

I've deliberately made sure there's no TV in one of the rooms we have a log burner. Because it's nice to sit around it, we're forced to actually talk to each other (well, at least during winter)

Hmmm. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64261624.amp

As far as I'm aware Wales and Scotland have hardly any smoke control areas. The map i saw recently made it look like an urban english issue!

Carlos wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:08 pm As far as I'm aware Wales and Scotland have hardly any smoke control areas. The map i saw recently made it look like an urban english issue!

I don't even know if there are any smoke control areas in Wales or Scotland. This DEFRA maps states that it is just shows smoke control areas in England but doesn't state if that's because there are none in the other nations: https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/data/sca/

I'd always assumed it just covered towns and cities too, but it's not that simple. Gloucester has barely any SCA whereas half of the built-up part of Cheltenham is in an SCA, as is a large area of countryside to the SE. Stafford has no SCA at all but rural Cannock Chase right next to it falls mostly in one.

mik wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:52 pm Hmmm. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64261624.amp

I thought this was going to be related to this humorous twitter post and comments

On the one hand its being enforced by Defra so I'm thinking nothing will ever happen, on the other hand they could just hire a bunch of people to go round testing chimneys and make a fortune as hardly any stove will pass that test unless its burning a freshly opened pack of kiln dried wood - the type you get from the petrol station with 4 logs for £10 which no one buys.
We don't have cheap enough electricity/gas to kiln dry our own logs in this country so it's all imported from Eastern Europe...

Holy fucking shit you lot can suck the joy out of everything.

We have a log burner in the living room and its ace, couldn't recommend them enough. Yes I have to chop logs, empty the ash every now and then and light the fire and wait for a few minutes before its warm, its not exactly a hardship. Its not like we live in Ukraine and have to make a fire to stay alive whilst getting shelled. If thats too much like hard work then just turn the heating on and leave normal human beings alone to enjoy the simple pleasures in life

dan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:14 pm Holy fucking shit you lot can suck the joy out of everything.

We have a log burner in the living room and its ace, couldn't recommend them enough. Yes I have to chop logs, empty the ash every now and then and light the fire and wait for a few minutes before its warm, its not exactly a hardship. Its not like we live in Ukraine and have to make a fire to stay alive whilst getting shelled. If thats too much like hard work then just turn the heating on and leave normal human beings alone to enjoy the simple pleasures in life

A-men

You don't need to burn kiln-dried to burn clean. Most well seasoned wood will be <20% moisture content, and even if it's not, it doesn't take long to season it down to that level. Ours gets brought in from outside to the garage, and then from garage to living area. So any surface moisture soon disappears, and plenty of chance for logs to come up to ambient temps if it's especially cold.

I had a truck load of kiln dried hardwood delivered yesterday as it happens. I had to spend almost an hour loading it into a wheel barrow to take it around the back of the house to the log store. Actual manual labour in this day and age!

dan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:44 pm I had a truck load of kiln dried hardwood delivered yesterday as it happens. I had to spend almost an hour loading it into a wheel barrow to take it around the back of the house to the log store. Actual manual labour in this day and age!

I also had a truck load of kiln dried hardwood delivered yesterday as it happens. I had to spend almost an hour sitting with a cup of tea and a packet of digestives watching my two children carrying it by hand, a few logs at a time, around the back of the house to the log store.

You know it's a waste buying kiln dried to then store outside? Just buy well-seasoned and save a few quid. The moisture content will end up the same.

I think the whole concept of heating wood to 80C in an oven for a week to get it to the same moisture content as a piece of wood you can chuck in your shed/garage for 6 months is a bit backwards.