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ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:45 am That's the thing I don't get, how are we going to take more cuts and austerity from a government fronted by someone who's practically a billionaire.

Did you feel the same way about Gordon Brown (Personal Wealth in excess of £15m) while he tackled the crisis back in 2007 ?

I'd suggest not...

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:10 am All I'm saying is that he went from a relatively privileged upbringing to marrying into an even more privileged life.

I think he'll be exactly as useless as the last 5 PMs with an extra big helping of do as I say not as I do.

Time will tell. He can't be worse than Boris and Truss IMO.

Although when was the last time you actually rated a PM? Surely Blair wouldn't fit your agenda either? You were basically born in the wrong country and era.

dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:14 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:45 am That's the thing I don't get, how are we going to take more cuts and austerity from a government fronted by someone who's practically a billionaire.

Did you feel the same way about Gordon Brown (Personal Wealth in excess of £15m) while he tackled the crisis back in 2007 ?

I'd suggest not...

Quite a jump from £15m to £800m or whatever it is that the Sunaks are worth. Anyway whataboutism is lazy, I was only 23 in 2007 but I don't remember being particularly supportive of Blair and Brown. I took part in the stop the war protests.

duncs500 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:17 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:10 am All I'm saying is that he went from a relatively privileged upbringing to marrying into an even more privileged life.

I think he'll be exactly as useless as the last 5 PMs with an extra big helping of do as I say not as I do.

Time will tell. He can't be worse than Boris and Truss IMO.

Although when was the last time you actually rated a PM? Surely Blair wouldn't fit your agenda either? You were basically born in the wrong country and era.

Yeah, I feel like being born just as Thatcher and Reagan were beginning to ruin UK and US politics was a personal attack tbh.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:18 am

dinny_g wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:14 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:45 am That's the thing I don't get, how are we going to take more cuts and austerity from a government fronted by someone who's practically a billionaire.

Did you feel the same way about Gordon Brown (Personal Wealth in excess of £15m) while he tackled the crisis back in 2007 ?

I'd suggest not...

Quite a jump from £15m to £800m or whatever it is that the Sunaks are worth. Anyway whataboutism is lazy, I was only 23 in 2007 but I don't remember being particularly supportive of Blair and Brown. I took part in the stop the war protests.

There's probably a better argument but I'm hoping someone else will do it...

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:19 am

duncs500 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:17 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:10 am All I'm saying is that he went from a relatively privileged upbringing to marrying into an even more privileged life.

I think he'll be exactly as useless as the last 5 PMs with an extra big helping of do as I say not as I do.

Time will tell. He can't be worse than Boris and Truss IMO.

Although when was the last time you actually rated a PM? Surely Blair wouldn't fit your agenda either? You were basically born in the wrong country and era.

Yeah, I feel like being born just as Thatcher and Reagan were beginning to ruin UK and US politics was a personal attack tbh.

Of course there are very few eras and countries that you will like a whole lot more than this TBH. It's an interesting question actually, politically speaking where and when do you think was the promised land?

Sunak's wealth isn't the issue when it comes to raising taxes, it's his own tax avoidance which is the issue. You don't have the authority to ask the people to pay more from their own pockets when you personally won't be affected. 'No representation without taxation' should be the new mantra.

Post war Britain was going in the right direction tbh, investing in infrastructure and the welfare state. Built a society that radically improved the lives of people at the bottom. Then the unions and labour took the piss in the 70s and Thatcher made sure it would never happen again.

There's never going to be a national government that'll get it perfect as it's all fundamentally driven by international movements that are counter to socialist policy. Roll on Star Trek one world society space communism

Rishi is an anagram of Irish. Sunak seems to autocorrect to Sunk. Irish Sunk. Conspiracy theorists, please do your worst.

Jobbo wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:05 pm Rishi is an anagram of Irish. Sunak seems to autocorrect to Sunk. Irish Sunk. Conspiracy theorists, please do your worst.

Rishi Sunak = Hi Risk Anus

USSR Kahn II...

One positive at least - Mogg out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63388979.amp

mik wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:15 pm One positive at least - Mogg out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63388979.amp

I think that is a huge positive. We may have what they consider the third best PM they can find, but not having JRM seemingly running the show is a huge step up.

mik wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:15 pm One positive at least - Mogg out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63388979.amp

I don't know why he was ever in! Does this mean we can do away with all this changing of the units nonsense?

Well he's fucked it immediately - Raab back as justice secretary. He was inept at that and rapidly shown up by the departing Brandon Lewis, who achieved far more in his 7 week tenure than Raab did in the preceding year.

We'll be back into pie-in-the-sky idealist ignorance from the randoms who form the Cabinet in no time. I thought the title to this thread was overly pessimistic... a day ago when Ian posted it. Now it seems appropriate. A day is a long time in politics...

duncs500 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:12 pm

mik wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:15 pm One positive at least - Mogg out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63388979.amp

I don't know why he was ever in! Does this mean we can do away with all this changing of the units nonsense?

He's hugely influential in the think tanks that make policy. It was him pushing the fracking stuff. He was like Boris in that he seems like a joke but he did damage behind the scenes.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:23 pm

duncs500 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:12 pm

mik wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:15 pm One positive at least - Mogg out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63388979.amp

I don't know why he was ever in! Does this mean we can do away with all this changing of the units nonsense?

He's hugely influential in the think tanks that make policy. It was him pushing the fracking stuff. He was like Boris in that he seems like a joke but he did damage behind the scenes.

I have no doubt he did damage. I think we can all agree that he has no place being part of running a country. The people of North East Somerset should be ashamed of themselves!

Jobbo wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:19 pm Well he's fucked it immediately - Raab back as justice secretary. He was inept at that and rapidly shown up by the departing Brandon Lewis, who achieved far more in his 7 week tenure than Raab did in the preceding year.

We'll be back into pie-in-the-sky idealist ignorance from the randoms who form the Cabinet in no time. I thought the title to this thread was overly pessimistic... a day ago when Ian posted it. Now it seems appropriate. A day is a long time in politics...

Yeah I was surprised by this as well to be honest. He's never shown himself to be much cop at anything has he?

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:53 pm

Jobbo wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:19 pm Well he's fucked it immediately - Raab back as justice secretary. He was inept at that and rapidly shown up by the departing Brandon Lewis, who achieved far more in his 7 week tenure than Raab did in the preceding year.

We'll be back into pie-in-the-sky idealist ignorance from the randoms who form the Cabinet in no time. I thought the title to this thread was overly pessimistic... a day ago when Ian posted it. Now it seems appropriate. A day is a long time in politics...

Yeah I was surprised by this as well to be honest. He's never shown himself to be much cop at anything has he?

He is truly inept - I struggled to think of the particularly amusing gaffes (being on the beach while Afghanistan was evacuated wasn't funny) so I googled and there are '10 worst Raab cock-ups' in all the media outlets each year back to 2017 on the first page Skin like a rhinoceros clearly. Probably ideal Tory leader candidate come November 2024...

Jobbo wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:02 pm

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:53 pm

Jobbo wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:19 pm Well he's fucked it immediately - Raab back as justice secretary. He was inept at that and rapidly shown up by the departing Brandon Lewis, who achieved far more in his 7 week tenure than Raab did in the preceding year.

We'll be back into pie-in-the-sky idealist ignorance from the randoms who form the Cabinet in no time. I thought the title to this thread was overly pessimistic... a day ago when Ian posted it. Now it seems appropriate. A day is a long time in politics...

Yeah I was surprised by this as well to be honest. He's never shown himself to be much cop at anything has he?

He is truly inept - I struggled to think of the particularly amusing gaffes (being on the beach while Afghanistan was evacuated wasn't funny) so I googled and there are '10 worst Raab cock-ups' in all the media outlets each year back to 2017 on the first page Skin like a rhinoceros clearly. Probably ideal Tory leader candidate come November 2024...

Nah, that's Hunt.

Schapps back in as well, and Braverman as Home Sec

Oh dear. Coffey's back in the building as well.