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ZedLeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:11 am Considering the general context of how broccers posts in this forum it’s not a big leap to see some racism in his post.

He knew what he was saying, probably his regular weekend cry for attention.

Jobbo wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:28 am What sort of creature do you think he meant, Dave?

V8Granite wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:54 am Generally when you want to insult someone you are demeaning them in some way though no?

Not trying to be a picky tit I genuinely see no racism in what Broccers said and I spend half my life surrounded by people of all races. If it is something that has passed me by then fair enough but I simply don’t see it.

Dave!

Nefarious wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 11:03 am

V8Granite wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:54 am Generally when you want to insult someone you are demeaning them in some way though no?

Not trying to be a picky tit I genuinely see no racism in what Broccers said and I spend half my life surrounded by people of all races. If it is something that has passed me by then fair enough but I simply don’t see it.

Dave!

Yes, all insults are necessarily demeaning, but one generally chooses the insult for it's specific implications. If you call someone a prick or an arsehole, there is the general implication of mean-spirited intent. If you call someone a twat or a fanny, there is the general implication of idiocy or incompetence. If you choose an insult that has an implication of being less that full human, and you're delivering it to someone whose ethnic group has a history of being called less than human, you either mean that very specifically, or possess the kind of catastrophic insensitivity that sits at the heart of middle england casual racism.

Context is everything. If I call you a big nose twat, that's a general insult on your intelligence and appearance. If I use the same insult of a jewish person, it comes with all the baggage of 100 years of anti-semitism.

tim wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:57 am Or me.

I think the pile-on was probably worse than the comment, if we're all going to be overly-woke about it. Broccers is our resident Piers Morgan, posts best read with that in mind IMO.

dinny_g wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 11:36 am

Nefarious wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 11:03 am

V8Granite wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:54 am Generally when you want to insult someone you are demeaning them in some way though no?

Not trying to be a picky tit I genuinely see no racism in what Broccers said and I spend half my life surrounded by people of all races. If it is something that has passed me by then fair enough but I simply don’t see it.

Dave!

Yes, all insults are necessarily demeaning, but one generally chooses the insult for it's specific implications. If you call someone a prick or an arsehole, there is the general implication of mean-spirited intent. If you call someone a twat or a fanny, there is the general implication of idiocy or incompetence. If you choose an insult that has an implication of being less that full human, and you're delivering it to someone whose ethnic group has a history of being called less than human, you either mean that very specifically, or possess the kind of catastrophic insensitivity that sits at the heart of middle england casual racism.

Context is everything. If I call you a big nose twat, that's a general insult on your intelligence and appearance. If I use the same insult of a jewish person, it comes with all the baggage of 100 years of anti-semitism.

As always, you make a very clear and valid point on this Nef.

Not sure your last point is 100% accurate though. If you call someone big nose, it doesn’t matter who you are directing the insult at, it’s the reader. If I was Jewish and you called someone else big nose, I could, quite justifiably in the current climate, think of you as using a racist slur and so, being racist. Context would appear to be gone completely

dinny_g wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 11:36 am
As always, you make a very clear and valid point on this Nef.

Not sure your last point is 100% accurate though. If you call someone big nose, it doesn’t matter who you are directing the insult at, it’s the reader. If I was Jewish and you called someone else big nose, I could, quite justifiably in the current climate, think of you as using a racist slur and so, being racist. Context would appear to be gone completely

dinny_g wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:55 pm But no, I don’t believe you’re right with that example. my understanding of today is if a black person takes offence at you calling, let’s for argument sake, say a small white child a cheeky monkey then it’s offensive and the more you try to explain yourself, the more you’ll be accused of being racist, not understanding etc by the black person who took offence.

FWIW - Cheeky monkey is on the list of expressions I no longer use, just in case

dinny_g wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:55 pm But no, I don’t believe you’re right with that example. my understanding of today is if a black person takes offence at you calling, let’s for argument sake, say a small white child a cheeky monkey then it’s offensive and the more you try to explain yourself, the more you’ll be accused of being racist, not understanding etc by the black person who took offence.

FWIW - Cheeky monkey is on the list of expressions I no longer use, just in case

Nefarious wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:12 pm

dinny_g wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:55 pm But no, I don’t believe you’re right with that example. my understanding of today is if a black person takes offence at you calling, let’s for argument sake, say a small white child a cheeky monkey then it’s offensive and the more you try to explain yourself, the more you’ll be accused of being racist, not understanding etc by the black person who took offence.

FWIW - Cheeky monkey is on the list of expressions I no longer use, just in case

I guess we all draw our line in different places. At least we all agree that Broccers is a twat.

Jobbo wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:51 pm I didn’t really see a pile on, just Broccers’ usual haphazard thrashing about when called out. For a self- confessed troll I don’t think you did a very good job this time, Broccers.