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Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:17 am**

KiwiDave wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:26 am
Here starts the watch and see whether that's a permanent status or if there's stuff lurking in the shadows...

Vampires mate

Top film BTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAZEWtyhpes

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:23 am**

Jobbo wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:07 pm A few pubs may have managed to sell off their beer. But that doesn’t mean there are deliveries ready to be made to them.

There were apparently 70m stale pints to be disposed of on 15 May: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... oronavirus

Just saying they can reopen on 22 June does not mean pubs will have anything to sell. As far as I’m aware they were gearing up for 4 July.

I'm sure you're not wrong in general.

We have five places locally (that I know of) that are selling draught beer for takeaway thankfully, so at least I'll always be able to get hold of the good stuff.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:14 am**

We just finished the second series of What We Do In The Shadows. Absolutely brilliant.

These Blade beer machines have been getting some excellent reviews - https://uk.blade.shop/blade-overview/

Corona-wise, I guess its a case of seeing how the next 14 days go as that will be the acid test given the recent mass public gatherings?

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:18 am**

Orange Cola wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:16 pm
Broccers wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:07 pm
Orange Cola wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:43 pm

Right. Back in the real world...
. They've all taken on 25k loans so we'll be paying no doubt.
Woah. Back up. Who said anything about a loan?

If you bothered to read the whole post I said the price of beer will rise making it less affordable to get rinsed - the landlords have mainly been forced to take loans of 25k to keep paying rent as not all breweries have given them a holiday. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/new ... risis.html

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:22 am**

If they’re owned by a brewery it’ll be up to them whether they raise prices no?

I’m looking forward to going to a pub and playing some pool tbh.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:22 am**

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:22 am If they’re owned by a brewery it’ll be up to them whether they raise prices no?

I’m looking forward to going to a pub and playing some pool tbh.

Wrong. A landlord rents the property.... anyway read this https://www.jrf.org.uk/press/third-furl ... kdown-ends

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:26 am**

Ah I know about that, my missus isn’t furloughed as she had to stop working just before lockdown but things are getting tight.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:40 am**

Ok lets say the pubs re open with limited space which is better if youve a decent beer garden - their overheads will stay the same, they will owe 3 months rent, their income will be down 40 percent at best. Then winter comes and it get a whole load worse. Landlords will just hand the keys back and go on the streets as it really isnt worth it any longer. A small but other storm coming.

OR everyone decides this is total shit and get back to normal sharpish.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:57 am**

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:53 pm Read this Guardian article today about modelling by Independent Sage.

Interesting their thoughts regarding Germany:

"it looks as if the low German fatality rate is not due to their superior testing capacity, but rather to the fact that the average German is less likely to get infected and die than the average Brit. Why? There are various possible explanations, but one that looks increasingly likely is that Germany has more immunological “dark matter” – people who are impervious to infection, perhaps because they are geographically isolated or have some kind of natural resistance. "

Wait... is he suggest the Germans are some sort of...erm...‘superior’... erm race???

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:07 am**

Broccers wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:40 amOR everyone decides this is total shit and get back to normal sharpish.

Its going to be this right?

There was obviously loads of talk of society as a whole being different - with social distancing in place for the foreseeable future - but how practical is that given how these last few weeks have panned out? I can't see the majority adhering to it and its going to cost a long of money for places to implement and police it....

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:16 am**

Our nearest local is owned by Greene King, and they've demanded full rent from the tenants throughout. Can't be easy for them, but they've been doing takeaway food Thu-Fri and from what I can tell they've been selling a fair bit. We've had it a few times, as much to support them as anything.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:25 am**

Greene king are scumbags.

With everything that’s going on just now we’re in a position to make some real changes in how we live but I feel like everything will just slide back to the way it was.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:22 pm**

Broccers wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:18 am
Orange Cola wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:16 pm
Broccers wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:07 pm

. They've all taken on 25k loans so we'll be paying no doubt.
Woah. Back up. Who said anything about a loan?
If you bothered to read the whole post I said the price of beer will rise making it less affordable to get rinsed - the landlords have mainly been forced to take loans of 25k to keep paying rent as not all breweries have given them a holiday. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/new ... risis.html

How much does beer have to go up by to stop people getting smashed on their first outings back to the pub? Even if it's a quid a pint it won't stop people

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:30 pm**

The large beer co/Breweries are generally complete scumbags, it was already ridiculously hard to actually make any money running a pub, I expect their attitudes will ensure a massive number of permanent closures following corona.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:52 pm**

I'm sure some breweries will use it as an excuse to get rid of some tenant landlords they don't like but I don't understand why some of them are seeming to deliberately sink their pub outlets? Surely it's better to have the pubs shut for a couple of months during lock down then reopen them slowly than shut for lockdown then remain closed for even longer because they're trying to find new tenant landlords after forcing out the existing ones?

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:46 pm**

Orange Cola wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:52 pm I'm sure some breweries will use it as an excuse to get rid of some tenant landlords they don't like but I don't understand why some of them are seeming to deliberately sink their pub outlets? Surely it's better to have the pubs shut for a couple of months during lock down then reopen them slowly than shut for lockdown then remain closed for even longer because they're trying to find new tenant landlords after forcing out the existing ones?

That might depend on how much interest they've had in the land...

Ours has been shut for the duration. John WIllie Lees brewery. And the Hydes one int eh village also been totally shut. Not sure what their plans are, but I think the aim is to reopen. They fortunately have fairly large outside spaces at their disposal which might help massively.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:48 pm**

dinny_g wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:57 am
Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:53 pm Read this Guardian article today about modelling by Independent Sage.

Interesting their thoughts regarding Germany:

"it looks as if the low German fatality rate is not due to their superior testing capacity, but rather to the fact that the average German is less likely to get infected and die than the average Brit. Why? There are various possible explanations, but one that looks increasingly likely is that Germany has more immunological “dark matter” – people who are impervious to infection, perhaps because they are geographically isolated or have some kind of natural resistance. "
Wait... is he suggest the Germans are some sort of...erm...‘superior’... erm race???

Interesting isn't it? Especially the bit about their modelling suggesting that the testing might have little to do with the low infection rate. I'm surprised* Gov't aren't cosying up to the likes of Independent SAGE on the basis of some of what they're saying, rather than seeming to hold them in suspcion.

*not surprised really

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:53 pm**

I agree that it doesn't make sense for pub owning breweries to put their tenants out of business on the whole, particularly when it comes to pubs in listed buildings that couldn't very easily be sold off for another use.

It is amazing how much they milk their tenants though, they've got the rent, then they have to pay extortionate prices for booze. I think food is the only place most country pubs make any profit. Looks like bloody hard work for scant rewards TBH, so I salute them, we should have clap for them.

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:29 pm**

Ive been trying to avoid the daily briefing..... today caught it - so when are pubs opening again?

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:21 pm**

Still 4th July. Good job it's a Saturday.

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