Trump

[duncs500]

I do think there will be a much better outcome than we expect due to how the Iranians are working so well together.

I really hope you're right Dave.

Let's say you are right though and the outcome is better than expected. That's effectively giving Trump and the US a mandate to go and change any regime they don't like without following international laws and norms. I don't think the US right now is the best arbiter of any other governments (quite the opposite).

[mik]

Apparently polymarket is taking bets on when a nuclear strike will happen.

It would not surprise me, the guy with his finger on the button would do it just to say he was the first president since WW2 to press the button. I genuinely believe he would enjoy doing it and be excited by it.

Nobody else could have done this. Everybody said I pressed it better than anyone else could have.

[V8Granite]

I do think there will be a much better outcome than we expect due to how the Iranians are working so well together.

I really hope you're right Dave.

Let's say you are right though and the outcome is better than expected. That's effectively giving Trump and the US a mandate to go and change any regime they don't like without following international laws and norms. I don't think the US right now is the best arbiter of any other governments (quite the opposite).

Carter helped destroy Iran by getting this regime in place.

The Biden did loads of shady stuff, information lost by the FBI, which they admitted publicly, just before Ukraine.

Obama giving over a billion dollars to the country who openly chant death to America.

The Deporter In Chief praising the security staff and giving them medals then calling those same people racists when Trump was in charge of them.

I think TDS is a silly term for most but not all the worlds ills can be laid on one person. There is a lot wrong with the man but he is more transparent than America has had in a while.

I'd rather have the crazy guy live next door than the friendly face who is digging under your house to murder you in secret.

It all goes back to one thing though, of the world leaders currently, how the fuck are the people we have now the best

Dave!

[unzippy]

I do think there will be a much better outcome than we expect due to how the Iranians are working so well together.


Dave!

Look like the Israelis are encouraging the Kurds to go for a land grab in Iran. I wonder how Turkey will react to that?.
I'm not sure this is a better outcome?

[V8Granite]

Should we just let them die and say leave Iran to its manufactured demise ?

I see video after video of Iranians up in arms with joy and praising what's happening. They know better than anyone.

Dave!

[dinny_g]

Indeed...

Palestine - "From the River to the Sea, so shall it be". World - "Israel, go and negotiate with these guys"

Iran - "Death to America". World "America, go and negotiate with these guys"

[Mito Man]

Purely in terms of world safety you don’t want another North Korea. Iran showed that they give no shits and have now attacked 11 countries. Some of which were heavily funded by them and could be considered proxies.
Their response has further justified them being attacked. It’s almost as if you can’t negotiate with terrorists. Buuuut international law. Fuck off.

For 30 years the world stood by and the morons over here believed Iran was pursuing nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. With all their stuff stored 300 metres underground in hardened bunkers. And the democrats funded them…

That Dictator film came out 15 years ago mocking the whole thing!

[ZedLeg]

Indeed...

Palestine - "From the River to the Sea, so shall it be". World - "Israel, go and negotiate with these guys"

Iran - "Death to America". World "America, go and negotiate with these guys"

Israels genocide campaign just entrenched the belief that there can’t be agreement.

Same is going to happen here.

[RobYob]

Had no idea that was a thing. Seems massively open to abuse for profit….

Very very much that.

[dinny_g]

Indeed...

Palestine - "From the River to the Sea, so shall it be". World - "Israel, go and negotiate with these guys"

Iran - "Death to America". World "America, go and negotiate with these guys"

Israels genocide campaign just entrenched the belief that there can’t be agreement.

Same is going to happen here.

But which came first? The River to the Sea dogma or the recent aggression in Gaza??

[Swervin_Mervin]

Indeed...

Palestine - "From the River to the Sea, so shall it be". World - "Israel, go and negotiate with these guys"

Iran - "Death to America". World "America, go and negotiate with these guys"

Israels genocide campaign just entrenched the belief that there can’t be agreement.

Same is going to happen here.

But which came first? The River to the Sea dogma or the recent aggression in Gaza??

The British and the Yanks. Wooo! Go us!

[duncs500]

I'd rather have the crazy guy live next door than the friendly face who is digging under your house to murder you in secret.

Dave!

Ummm, well I'd rather the 'crazy' (probably) paedophile sociopath who has no fear of consequences neighbour was banged up in jail where he can't hurt anyone.

The guy digging under my house in secret to murder me I'm not aware of so can't really ask the police to take him away. Once I find out he's digging under my house then I'll want him banged up too.

It wouldn't make sense for me to say I'll keep neighbour 1 because neighbour 2 might not be as nice as he seems.

[dinny_g]

Israels genocide campaign just entrenched the belief that there can’t be agreement.

Same is going to happen here.

But which came first? The River to the Sea dogma or the recent aggression in Gaza??

The British and the Yanks. Wooo! Go us!

Judea was there before Britain or America...

[240PP]

[ZedLeg]

Indeed...

Palestine - "From the River to the Sea, so shall it be". World - "Israel, go and negotiate with these guys"

Iran - "Death to America". World "America, go and negotiate with these guys"

Israels genocide campaign just entrenched the belief that there can’t be agreement.

Same is going to happen here.

But which came first? The River to the Sea dogma or the recent aggression in Gaza??

The people saying from the river to the sea were there before Israel was Dinny.

[dinny_g]

That's my point Zed.

Despite Judea being there first before the Jewish people were exiled, when they returned, they were expected to "be the bigger person" and negotiate with a country who has, as it's central dogma, the elimination of the state of Israel. How can you negotiate with that. There is no peace until that Dogma is entirely removed from the lexicon.

[V8Granite]

Not forgetting Israel gave them some land they didn't believe was theirs, gave them a thriving industry, forcibly removed their own people and this cost them a boatload of money.

Luckily they were grateful and didn't destroy the industry, move weapons closer and then abuse their own people.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

That's my point Zed.

Despite Judea being there first before the Jewish people were exiled, when they returned, they were expected to "be the bigger person" and negotiate with a country who has, as it's central dogma, the elimination of the state of Israel. How can you negotiate with that. There is no peace until that Dogma is entirely removed from the lexicon.

They didn’t return though. Judea doesn’t exist, Israel is a new country built on stolen land.

The foundation of Israel was a s badly handled as the Indian partition but no one ever wants to acknowledge it

[dinny_g]

Israel is a new country built on stolen land.

And therein, lies the reason there will never be peace...

[Swervin_Mervin]

But which came first? The River to the Sea dogma or the recent aggression in Gaza??

The British and the Yanks. Wooo! Go us!

Judea was there before Britain or America...

In relevant recent history they lived together. Most of the Middle East had no borders 'til we carved it up and told everyone who could live where. See also India and Pakistan.