Bye bye Starmer

[Beany]

The industry is age restricted - vape shops aren't selling disposables to kids, most reports are that it's corner shops, market stalls etc.

Trading standards having limited resources doesn't help. The alternative would be to have a (very light - less than a grand a year) regulatory/licensing system for shops that deal primarily with vape equipment, and ban anyone else from selling them who isn't a proper supermarket that already has strong age checking in place.

I agree on the disposables though, they're a horrific waste of resources in every respect.

All those cells in there? They're fully rechargable, and most of them even use charging circuits for power, but just don't have a USB port soldered on or exposed, it's a fucking joke.

[V8Granite]

Starmer is apparently going after the overeaters too. Publicly shaming people over their weight is bound to go down well.

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So the system that can't get enough staff to manage its existing commitments is going to manage to get staff that can roam the country's offices and other work environments how?

I wonder if the information they dish out or advice the peddle will be sponsored by industry. I remember getting a lecture the first time I registered at a GPs when we moved to our previous house. Had a general health screening to get on their books and it was all good. But she was horrified at the amount of dairy I consumed - whole milk and butter - and trying to convince me to change. Told her that low fat spreads were a load of crap and I wouldn't be putting that junk through me. She still made me take away an information sheet though. Until I realised it was produced by Flora! At which point I just said I'd leave her sponsored sales pitch ta.

15-20 years later and the chat around dairy being so horrendously bad for us suddenly started to change...

You are very very correct!

I get a medical every year, every year get told I need to lose 50kg, so I’d actually need to lose 50kg. I need to lose 23kg to be 12% body fat and I don’t like how I look then and that’s still obese. Subcutaneous fat is high, visceral is very low.

I have a bit of a meat and dairy only diet soapbox but in general any diet which is not messed with at all is better than anything which needs things added to it.

The wife hasn’t eaten carbs, fibre or sugar in 10 months and has reversed a hip issue, thyroid medication no longer needed and lost a lot of weight. Before she had a very healthy diet but was permanently hungry and definitely overate.

We took them off school dinners as they were pushing veggie options as that’s probably what a government think tank said was needed for the catering company to get a school dinners contract.

Dave!

[V8Granite]

We should be banning disposable vapes and age restricting the rest of the industry imo.

The amount of kids taking up vaping should be ringing alarm bells somewhere.

A rare point of 100% agreement.

Dave!

[V8Granite]

The industry is age restricted - vape shops aren't selling disposables to kids, most reports are that it's corner shops, market stalls etc.

Trading standards having limited resources doesn't help. The alternative would be to have a (very light - less than a grand a year) regulatory/licensing system for shops that deal primarily with vape equipment, and ban anyone else from selling them who isn't a proper supermarket that already has strong age checking in place.

I agree on the disposables though, they're a horrific waste of resources in every respect.

All those cells in there? They're fully rechargable, and most of them even use charging circuits for power, but just don't have a USB port soldered on or exposed, it's a fucking joke.

I’m confused on the Vape thing, people who vape have horrible oily windscreens, does this not go in the lungs ?

If they are infact healthier. Is that per drag ? As the people I do know who vape have one permanently attatched to them but the smokers just pop out every so often for a smoke. If they were smoking the equivilant of cigarettes they’d be a 100 a day person in volume but what does that equate to ?

Dave!

[Beany]

I'm bored of explaining this so here's the RCPs metastudy, which is still considered the authority on the subject.

Long story short, yes they're laughably less harmful, and I'm not explaining why in this place for the - quite likely - seventieth time.

https://www.rcp.ac.uk/improving-care/re ... reduction/

The study itself is actually very readable.

[V8Granite]

I'm bored of explaining this so here's the RCPs metastudy, which is still considered the authority on the subject.

Long story short, yes they're laughably less harmful, and I'm not explaining why in this place for the - quite likely - seventieth time.

https://www.rcp.ac.uk/improving-care/re ... reduction/

The study itself is actually very readable.

Thanks for the link and also the attitude .

Dave!

[Rich B]

I'm bored of explaining this so here's the RCPs metastudy, which is still considered the authority on the subject.

Long story short, yes they're laughably less harmful, and I'm not explaining why in this place for the - quite likely - seventieth time.

https://www.rcp.ac.uk/improving-care/re ... reduction/

The study itself is actually very readable.

i guess a lot has changed in the last 5 years…

“However, the available evidence to date indicates that e-cigarettes are being used almost exclusively as safer alternatives to smoked tobacco, by confirmed smokers who are trying to reduce harm to themselves or others from smoking, or to quit smoking completely.”

[Beany]

I'm bored of explaining this so here's the RCPs metastudy, which is still considered the authority on the subject.

Long story short, yes they're laughably less harmful, and I'm not explaining why in this place for the - quite likely - seventieth time.

https://www.rcp.ac.uk/improving-care/re ... reduction/

The study itself is actually very readable.

i guess a lot has changed in the last 5 years…

“However, the available evidence to date indicates that e-cigarettes are being used almost exclusively as safer alternatives to smoked tobacco, by confirmed smokers who are trying to reduce harm to themselves or others from smoking, or to quit smoking completely.”

Yeah I'm grumpy lately, work is getting me down

They did do an update later along the lines of "fuckin' disposables, eh?" and generally opining on the current regulatory state of things:

https://www.rcp.ac.uk/policy-and-campai ... nce-review

(the executive summary covers most of the stuff the man on the street would want to know - most of the updates are policy related, the evidence re harm hasn't really changed - IE no-ones found anything relevant beyond the earlier link)

[Mito Man]

Just looking through the figures for the economy.
GDP flat for the second month now. Manufacturing and production down quite a bit.
Who'd a thunk that the current government reminding us every day that we're going to get shafted come budget time isn't helping the economy...

[jamcg]

Just looking through the figures for the economy.
GDP flat for the second month now. Manufacturing and production down quite a bit.
Who'd a thunk that the current government reminding us every day that we're going to get shafted come budget time isn't helping the economy...

Just ask any sales reps who work in anything to do with kitchens, every kitchen company is seeing extremely low customer numbers at the moment, as has been since around the time rishi called the election. I’ve heard from fitters I know who do wren/b&q/wickes fits that most kitchens they’re getting through them are basic formats and then the little extras they personally sell you that line their pockets aren’t happening

The knock on of all this is that suppliers suffer, IDS- one of the biggest suppliers of worktops, wall panels, splashbacks etc…… has just notified that they intend to appoint administrators, so unless it gets bought out that’ll be about 500 jobs gone

[Simon]

Dad came round last night and we spoke about the economy and the budget for a long while. He's 80 next week but only wound up his tax practice 21 months ago - he worked with a lot of high net worth individuals, and still keeps in contact with some of them. There's no doubt that Labour will clobber them, but I think they will stiff middle income earners badly too. It's in their DNA.

What frustrates is the thinking that the Tories were really right wing financially, which just isn't true. If you understand the policies that started with Osborne in 2010 then you'll see that we've had a quasi Labour government for 14 years now, at least from a tax perspective.

[ZedLeg]

I don’t think that austerity politics follows party lines.

The premise seems to be make everyone miserable and see how much we can enrich ourselves by.

[GG.]

What frustrates is the thinking that the Tories were really right wing financially, which just isn't true. If you understand the policies that started with Osborne in 2010 then you'll see that we've had a quasi Labour government for 14 years now, at least from a tax perspective.

The tories were practically soviet.

Most people taken out of income tax altogether - welfare payments inexorably increasing.

They couldn't even stomach reducing the top rate of tax to 40% or VAT back to 17.5% which had been the norm and unquestioned for numerous decades previously.

This is how sticky tax is - it only ever increases inexorably up unless someone is really brave to reverse that trend - remember income tax is still with us to fund the ongoing Napoleonic wars - oh wait... Truss and Kwarteng had the right idea but inept in implementation.

Ironically Starmer now has the guts to start saying some home truths on things like the NHS - i.e. its shit because of the system, absolutely nothing to do with the amount of money that is funnelled into its gaping maw.

[ZedLeg]

It’s bullshit imo, the NHS has been systematically underfunded for a long time and now a Labour prime minister is going to continue that policy until the unions give in.

Labour and Conservative occupy the same political space now.

[Mito Man]

It's fine, Labour will reform it and there will be no need to spend additional money. It'll be another labour magic bullet.

[GG.]

It’s bullshit imo, the NHS has been systematically underfunded for a long time and now a Labour prime minister is going to continue that policy until the unions give in.

Labour and Conservative occupy the same political space now.

We spend the same amount of GDP as Japan and Spain for worse outcomes so it fundamentally isn't.

Ironically again, same money in but less out is partly a factor of PFI (Nu Labor) and partly communistical practices such as centralised sourcing with trusts paying 66.72p per toilet roll and politburo management systems (Old Labour and every government since).

[ZedLeg]

What are you basing worse outcomes on? There are a lot of variables in national health.

[GG.]

Cancer's a good one.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

[Mito Man]

Hmm, was wondering if it's not just early detection but also general health. It is proven that being otherwise healthy will give you a far greater long term outcome when it comes to cancer. But America bucks that trend. So it's better to be fat and go private vs having a body like Hercules and going NHS.

[ZedLeg]

That site’s a nightmare to navigate on my phone

It does kind of say what I said though.

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