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KevH18 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:10 pm

Broccers wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:29 am we plugged it in to a supermarket charger. Download app blah blah. Went for a drink and an hour later it had FIFTEEN miles more range.

Im guessing this was one was a 7kw charger if it only added that in an hour - probably around 2 - 2.5kw/mile if it's been driven properly.

Broccers wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:36 pm It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

Mito Man wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:04 pm I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones,

Mito Man wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:04 pm I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones, and it's pretty amazing that even though EVs are so common now the other brands still don't have a decent competition in terms of charging networks despite many manufacturers all teaming up together. It's like they don't want to sell EVs...

The battery degradation is still a major issue, I'm amazed that no car actually tells you what it is like you can with a phone or laptop. The i3 was 25% worn after 80,000 miles from an estimate. The warranty was something like 30% degradation within 100,000 so it's probably going to be on 29% by then
The Model 3 when it was new showed 330 miles when charged to 100% and 60,000 miles later it shows 280 miles. So about 15%
Funnily enough the warranty on that is 30% degradation by 120,000 miles.

The battery warranty mileages have been picked very carefully and are a very close representation of degradation.

mik wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:25 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:04 pm I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones,

Why?

Luckily home charging works for 99% of our needs, but the 150kw InstaVolt we used was good.

Mito Man wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:59 pm They always work, it’s seamless, doesn’t matter where or what country, takes money via the car, they’re usually always cheaper, there’s usually a bank of at least 10 superchargers available and you’re constantly told via the car of available spaces. It’s a perfect system.
There’s other small stuff too - the superchargers have high speed Wi-Fi so the car updates and you can browse YouTube etc whilst charging.

simon_g wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:30 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:59 pm They always work, it’s seamless, doesn’t matter where or what country, takes money via the car, they’re usually always cheaper, there’s usually a bank of at least 10 superchargers available and you’re constantly told via the car of available spaces. It’s a perfect system.
There’s other small stuff too - the superchargers have high speed Wi-Fi so the car updates and you can browse YouTube etc whilst charging.

Adding to that:

- overstay charges that are steeper when busy so people don’t leave their cars on a supercharger once finished, and even at peak times they get through a lot of cars.
- car nav works out how much battery you’ll have when you arrive - if consumption is higher (roofbox, towing or driving like a bellend) and you won’t make it it’ll reroute or tell you to conserve power.
- battery heating, if you’re heading to a supercharger it can warm the battery on the way to optimise how quick it charges.

It’s all nice stuff that you can do with tight integration of car and charging network. Not enough to make me want a Tesla though, but for those who don’t want to have to think about anything it’s great.

Carlos wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Broccers wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:36 pm It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

43kw and above have a tethered to the charger cable if your using your own cable it will be 3.6 to 22kw max.

Broccers wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:39 pm

Carlos wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Broccers wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:36 pm It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

43kw and above have a tethered to the charger cable if your using your own cable it will be 3.6 to 22kw max.

We used a tethered one. I have never seriously looked into this as its not for me. Maybe one day but for the reason I have an old motorbike with no tech on it - I really don't like all the glitz and complication.

Broccers wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:20 am

Rich B wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:37 am
He was also telling me about how many times people have parked in a charging bay, found out that the cable doesn't reach the side they need so just taken the one from the bay next door effectively blocking booth bays!

Rich B wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:37 am Some more EV bashing for the group!

I was chatting with a mate at work, he's a biker and his missus has an EV. He's going down to Dorset to see his parents with his new baby and he's hiring a car, because he can't be bothered trying to do a few hundred mile trip each way with the EV. He wouldn't be able to charge it at anything other than a normal 3 pin at his parents house.