EV Thread

[mik]

we plugged it in to a supermarket charger. Download app blah blah. Went for a drink and an hour later it had FIFTEEN miles more range.

Im guessing this was one was a 7kw charger if it only added that in an hour - probably around 2 - 2.5kw/mile if it's been driven properly.

Mrs mik’s E-Tron adds around 15miles range per hour when plugged in at home (7.2kw charger) so that sounds right.

[Explosive Newt]

Tesla arriving in December. I’d hoped to keep on a petrol car as a “just in case” or for longer journeys (or for fun) but an above-budget house purchase is going to make the Tesla the sole car.

[Mito Man]

I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones, and it's pretty amazing that even though EVs are so common now the other brands still don't have a decent competition in terms of charging networks despite many manufacturers all teaming up together. It's like they don't want to sell EVs...

The battery degradation is still a major issue, I'm amazed that no car actually tells you what it is like you can with a phone or laptop. The i3 was 25% worn after 80,000 miles from an estimate. The warranty was something like 30% degradation within 100,000 so it's probably going to be on 29% by then
The Model 3 when it was new showed 330 miles when charged to 100% and 60,000 miles later it shows 280 miles. So about 15%
Funnily enough the warranty on that is 30% degradation by 120,000 miles.

The battery warranty mileages have been picked very carefully and are a very close representation of degradation.

[Broccers]

It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

[Carlos]

It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

43kw and above have a tethered to the charger cable if your using your own cable it will be 3.6 to 22kw max.

[mik]

I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones,

Why?

Luckily home charging works for 99% of our needs, but the 150kw InstaVolt we used was good.

[Explosive Newt]

I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones, and it's pretty amazing that even though EVs are so common now the other brands still don't have a decent competition in terms of charging networks despite many manufacturers all teaming up together. It's like they don't want to sell EVs...

The battery degradation is still a major issue, I'm amazed that no car actually tells you what it is like you can with a phone or laptop. The i3 was 25% worn after 80,000 miles from an estimate. The warranty was something like 30% degradation within 100,000 so it's probably going to be on 29% by then
The Model 3 when it was new showed 330 miles when charged to 100% and 60,000 miles later it shows 280 miles. So about 15%
Funnily enough the warranty on that is 30% degradation by 120,000 miles.

The battery warranty mileages have been picked very carefully and are a very close representation of degradation.

Are the battery warranties contingent on how you charge? I seem to remember we were advised to charge the Tesla to 90% most of the time unless you specifically needed the extra range.

[Mito Man]

I still think the only public superchargers worth using are the Tesla ones,

Why?

Luckily home charging works for 99% of our needs, but the 150kw InstaVolt we used was good.

They always work, it’s seamless, doesn’t matter where or what country, takes money via the car, they’re usually always cheaper, there’s usually a bank of at least 10 superchargers available and you’re constantly told via the car of available spaces. It’s a perfect system.
There’s other small stuff too - the superchargers have high speed Wi-Fi so the car updates and you can browse YouTube etc whilst charging.

[simon_g]

They always work, it’s seamless, doesn’t matter where or what country, takes money via the car, they’re usually always cheaper, there’s usually a bank of at least 10 superchargers available and you’re constantly told via the car of available spaces. It’s a perfect system.
There’s other small stuff too - the superchargers have high speed Wi-Fi so the car updates and you can browse YouTube etc whilst charging.

Adding to that:

- overstay charges that are steeper when busy so people don’t leave their cars on a supercharger once finished, and even at peak times they get through a lot of cars.
- car nav works out how much battery you’ll have when you arrive - if consumption is higher (roofbox, towing or driving like a bellend) and you won’t make it it’ll reroute or tell you to conserve power.
- battery heating, if you’re heading to a supercharger it can warm the battery on the way to optimise how quick it charges.

It’s all nice stuff that you can do with tight integration of car and charging network. Not enough to make me want a Tesla though, but for those who don’t want to have to think about anything it’s great.

[Mito Man]

They always work, it’s seamless, doesn’t matter where or what country, takes money via the car, they’re usually always cheaper, there’s usually a bank of at least 10 superchargers available and you’re constantly told via the car of available spaces. It’s a perfect system.
There’s other small stuff too - the superchargers have high speed Wi-Fi so the car updates and you can browse YouTube etc whilst charging.

Adding to that:

- overstay charges that are steeper when busy so people don’t leave their cars on a supercharger once finished, and even at peak times they get through a lot of cars.
- car nav works out how much battery you’ll have when you arrive - if consumption is higher (roofbox, towing or driving like a bellend) and you won’t make it it’ll reroute or tell you to conserve power.
- battery heating, if you’re heading to a supercharger it can warm the battery on the way to optimise how quick it charges.

It’s all nice stuff that you can do with tight integration of car and charging network. Not enough to make me want a Tesla though, but for those who don’t want to have to think about anything it’s great.

Yeah its all very clever, the superchargers will limit your charge to 90% too when it gets busy as it takes forever to charge beyond that anyway and it keeps it all flowing. This is another reason that Tesla chargers opening up to other brands will suck as the network will no longer be 100% integrated and then you get plug in hybrids which charge at 7 or 11kw and just kill the efficiency.

[mik]

All fair points - does sound like a rather different experience

[Broccers]

It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

43kw and above have a tethered to the charger cable if your using your own cable it will be 3.6 to 22kw max.

We used a tethered one. I have never seriously looked into this as its not for me. Maybe one day but for the reason I have an old motorbike with no tech on it - I really don't like all the glitz and complication.

[Swervin_Mervin]

It was a pod point charger we used - obviously selected the slow option not the 50kw they should be capable of. Incidentally the cost was 28p per kwh.
The same speed down the road was 66 so I guess you have to shop about? Is there an app that does all this - I presume so.

43kw and above have a tethered to the charger cable if your using your own cable it will be 3.6 to 22kw max.

We used a tethered one. I have never seriously looked into this as its not for me. Maybe one day but for the reason I have an old motorbike with no tech on it - I really don't like all the glitz and complication.

I'm kind of the same, albeit with my 330. The older I and it get, the more I appreciate it's relative simplicity. I think regarding EVs, they just seem like too much of a faff regarding charging.

The only appealing thing about Teslas to my mind is the integrated setup with the supercharger network. The ability to programme a longer range route and have it do all the working out and prep etc on the fly is their main USP for me and it really appeals. But not enough to want the actual rest of the car. So until the wider network catches up, and tech in vehicles catches up to integrate better, I'm happy to stick with the old dinosaurs.

That and I'm increasingly of the view that buying brand new cars, particularly EVs and their highly questionable green credentials, seems absurd given that the world is burning.

[Broccers]

This is interesting for the bikers.

Bloke doing the UK on ev bike

https://instagram.com/teapotoneinsta?ig ... MyMTA2M2Y=

[Broccers]

[KevH18]

That looks like an absolute nightmare. 17ppm to charge as well. Our 1.6 petrol turbo Focus would be around that, probably better, and do around 450 miles between filling up. I don't know why he put himself through it.

[Barry]

He's doing it cos he jacked his real job in to be a 'tuber and needs all the clicks he can get. EV bikes just aren't ready for sustained long trips yet, or ever will be, he has tested loads of them and knows this already.
As for not taking adequate kit, I have no sympathies. He knows better.

[Rich B]

Some more EV bashing for the group!

I was chatting with a mate at work, he's a biker and his missus has an EV. He's going down to Dorset to see his parents with his new baby and he's hiring a car, because he can't be bothered trying to do a few hundred mile trip each way with the EV. He wouldn't be able to charge it at anything other than a normal 3 pin at his parents house.

He was also telling me about how many times people have parked in a charging bay, found out that the cable doesn't reach the side they need so just taken the one from the bay next door effectively blocking booth bays!

[mik]

He was also telling me about how many times people have parked in a charging bay, found out that the cable doesn't reach the side they need so just taken the one from the bay next door effectively blocking booth bays!

Awesome. I have used a couple where the tethered cable does seem stupidly short.

[KevH18]

Some more EV bashing for the group!

I was chatting with a mate at work, he's a biker and his missus has an EV. He's going down to Dorset to see his parents with his new baby and he's hiring a car, because he can't be bothered trying to do a few hundred mile trip each way with the EV. He wouldn't be able to charge it at anything other than a normal 3 pin at his parents house.

Hey! I have an EV as well. We're going to be getting rid of the Focus soon as my wife has a new job where she doesn't need to drive. Our Kona showed 298 miles with the climate set to 19°C after a full charge the other day.

What is his wife's EV? We've done Sunderland to Surrey twice and the chargers on both the M1 and A1 have been great. Appreciate it's a different matter off the motorways though. We weren't using the car for a day or so down there so plugged into a 3-pin socket and was fine just to keep it up topped up and left with 100% to come back home.