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Beany wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:19 pm Oh, that - early 'reporting' was of that ilk, seems it might have been after - "no, she's fifteen, she's to old for you" - not enough context as yet. Although even if he had been told she was twenty five, lying down on a bed to 'tuck your shirt in' in a hotel room alone with an attractive woman when you're seventy odd... Not a good look.

I'm not sure how that lying down on a bed to tuck your shirt in thing works (I cant say I've ever done that - standing up to do it is far easier), but I imagine it'll come out in the wash on Friday.

Oh, and do try to remember I'm shit posting on the internet, not the fucking BBC

Pretty huge difference though. One is a grotty old man being a grotty old man, one is the beginning of a very illegal act.

By spreading the lying part of your statement, it just makes it all the easier for the grotty old man to deny any wrong doing because you are the liar making shit up about them.

I wasn't aware I was being used as an objective breaking news source to verify the veracity is such claims. I'm pretty sure I'm a numpty laughing about the absurdity of American politicians and grifters on a car website viewed by about twelve people.

Beany Broadcasting Corporation

Beany wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:47 am I wasn't aware I was being used as an objective breaking news source to verify the veracity is such claims. I'm pretty sure I'm a numpty laughing about the absurdity of American politicians and grifters on a car website viewed by about twelve people.

well you definitely won't be from now on!

I look forward to the editing of that scene in the film tbh, I expect lots more people will fall for it.

I think the editing of the scene is less of a concern than the fact that if a comedian can get him in such an apparently compromising position, consider what foreign intelligence services could manage, for whom this is a day job.

Regardless of how it's cut, there's no way Rudy comes out of this looking like anything other than all kinds of incompetent.

Beany wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:08 pm I think the editing of the scene is less of a concern than the fact that if a comedian can get him in such an apparently compromising position, consider what foreign intelligence services could manage, for whom this is a day job.

Regardless of how it's cut, there's no way Rudy comes out of this looking like anything other than all kinds of incompetent.

its already gone away though. Even the guardian can't get much of a scandal out of it sticking with the facts.

- Snippet of truth from known prankster released.
- target denies wrong doing.
- the end.

Having watched the film now, Beany, you fell for it hook line and sinker.

It's become a funny old world where that Guiliani scene can be dismissed as "nothing" because it doesn't involve any actual paedophilia.

It's not so long ago that something like this would end a political career, both from a creepy letchy perspective (looking at the full clip, he *absolutely* thinks he's getting a portion) and from a security perspective (as Cohen says, if the honey trap is that easy, what else has he done, and who else already has leverage on him).

But I guess once Trump has survived the "grab 'em by the pussy" debacle, the American electorate has already lowered its standards to such an extent that exploitation of young dewy-eyed women is fully expected from senior politicians.

The random stuff you get a bee in your bonnet about Rich

I’ve not seen the film but Guiliani is a shambling, cousin marrying weirdo. It’s probably not that hard to get him into a compromising situation.

ZedLeg wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:15 am The random stuff you get a bee in your bonnet about Rich

I’ve not seen the film but Guiliani is a shambling, cousin marrying weirdo. It’s probably not that hard to get him into a compromising situation.

i totally agree with the second statement! But falling for an obvious publicity stunt (and Then making up extra lies too) does not help, it just makes it all the easier for these cretins to deny any wrongdoing.

Stick to the facts, or you just allow them to call everything fake news. And it will simply devalue your opinions to the rest of us because we now know you make up lies and post them as fact.

It's a pretty professional bit of grifting to get that shot though, she flirts, then says she's taking off his mike and VERY deliberately untucks all of his shirt at the front, moves aside from the camera and he (Fairly quickly) tucks his shirt back in.

That still shot is taken and Borat has his publicity. The only thing that could have improved it would have been Rudy telling people to watch the movie to prove his innocence.

Rich B wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:27 am

ZedLeg wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:15 am The random stuff you get a bee in your bonnet about Rich

I’ve not seen the film but Guiliani is a shambling, cousin marrying weirdo. It’s probably not that hard to get him into a compromising situation.

i totally agree with the second statement! But falling for an obvious publicity stunt (and Then making up extra lies too) does not help, it just makes it all the easier for these cretins to deny any wrongdoing.

Stick to the facts, or you just allow them to call everything fake news. And it will simply devalue your opinions to the rest of us because we now know you make up lies and post them as fact.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but my opinion isn't worth jack shit here

Nefarious wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am It's become a funny old world where that Guiliani scene can be dismissed as "nothing" because it doesn't involve any actual paedophilia.

It's not so long ago that something like this would end a political career, both from a creepy letchy perspective (looking at the full clip, he *absolutely* thinks he's getting a portion) and from a security perspective (as Cohen says, if the honey trap is that easy, what else has he done, and who else already has leverage on him).

But I guess once Trump has survived the "grab 'em by the pussy" debacle, the American electorate has already lowered its standards to such an extent that exploitation of young dewy-eyed women is fully expected from senior politicians.

another one fallen for it.

Why do you feel the need to so enthusiastically defend sleazeballs and thieves? I hadn't previously had you down as either a zealot or a simpleton, but my mind is open in the face of new evidence...

Nefarious wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:58 pm Why do you feel the need to so enthusiastically defend sleazeballs and thieves? I hadn't previously had you down as either a zealot or a simpleton, but my mind is open in the face of new evidence...

i'm absolutely not defending sleaze balls and thieves.

You got taken in by Sacha Baron Cohens game like all the stupid Americans in the film. You believed a bullshit story based on one photo from a known prankster with zero actual evidence.

That is the act of a simpleton.

I actually missed all the still photo business and just saw the edited scene from the movie, but crack on with your assumptions.
Not sure exactly what you think I've "fallen for" - I see a man bristling with excitement in the face of her flirting, way too willing to move into the bedroom than anyone with professional integrity should be, and then clumsily keen to progress things with inappropriate touching, asking for her phone number etc.
The shirt tucking thing is largely neither here nor there, and clever editing can't make you say thing you didn't say - the bottom line is that is clearly not the behaviour of a principled, honest professional, it was the behaviour of a man who will prioritise his personal desires over his public responsibilities, regardless of the consequences.

I'll grant that beany was wrong to suggest that he thought the girl was 15 before the event, but in this instance, as with our previous clash over the Tory kleptocracy, you've lost sight of the wood for the trees. Is a victory of pedantry and subsequent contumaciousness really worth it if it means siding with those so clearly in the wrong?

Rich B wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:05 pm

Nefarious wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:58 pm Why do you feel the need to so enthusiastically defend sleazeballs and thieves? I hadn't previously had you down as either a zealot or a simpleton, but my mind is open in the face of new evidence...

i'm absolutely not defending sleaze balls and thieves.

You got taken in by Sacha Baron Cohens game like all the stupid Americans in the film. You believed a bullshit story based on one photo from a known prankster with zero actual evidence.

That is the act of a simpleton.

Even the footage isn't conclusive that he's being inappropriate, I agree with Rich. He could be construed as mimicking her when he touches her, and it looks like they've spliced two angles of him tucking his shirt in to make it look like he's 'messing around down there' for longer.

Tbf though Sacha's doing good work fucking with the G.O.P and by hell doesn't it count at the moment that he wins votes by any means necessary against that racist fuck.

Edited to say I know it doesn't fit in with Michelle Obama's 'when they go low, you go high' mantra, but Baron-Cohen's Jewish so given the stakes are high for him he gets a pass

The signs are his days are numbered. What do you all reckon?

100% remaining in the big seat.

I think he’s going to take it.

It’ll be interesting to see how much further he leans into strongman authoritarianism. I see them pushing an amendment to remove the two term limit for presidents.