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Spend money getting them to do something productive or spend it for them to spend a year catching up on their reading and maybe getting beaten up.

I know which I'd pick.

I'd bet that if you gave them community orders most would turn up voluntarily, they'll see themselves as principled people.

Again, just my opinion but prison should be for rehab of serious criminals and keeping people who are a genuine danger to the public out of circulation.

Yes, but the violent serial offender criminal types don’t seem to give a fuck about going in and out of prison all their lives.

Where as the rest of us are scared shitless by the idea and would give anything with possible prison time a wide berth.

There are life long environmental protestors who have been in and out of prisons for decades due to their protesting.

They aren't going to dissuade people who want to protest the way JSO does with prison.

It would stop folk like you but you wouldn't do it in the first place.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:17 pm There are life long environmental protestors who have been in and out of prisons for decades due to their protesting.

They aren't going to dissuade people who want to protest the way JSO does with prison.

It would stop folk like you but you wouldn't do it in the first place.

Again from the Sentencing Guidelines: Aggravation

Some factors indicating higher culpability:

• Failure to respond to previous sentences

• Previous conviction(s), particularly where a pattern of repeat offending is disclosed

• Offenders operating in groups or gangs

• ‘Professional’ offending

The law of the land states that higher and higher sentences are appropriate in the case of serial repeat offenders. So don't complain if this happens

The idea that "Well Prison isn't going to stop them so why bother with custodial sentences" is illogical

No one is complaining, I was just saying that if you've decided that direct action is for you there's a good chance you've already come to peace with dealing with the legal system.

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:17 pm
It would stop folk like you but you wouldn't do it in the first place.

i’d join a protest for something i believe in if it was legal (or very close to being legal). i wouldn’t if it risked jail time.

And that's the same for most people. The kind of people who take part in direct action aren't like that, they see their cause as worth whatever happens to them.

I've seen hunt sabs throw themselves in front of horses and tractors to stop hunts.

It's also the difference between someone who will take a walk round London for Gaza and the people shutting down factories that make weapon parts.

One more question Zed and then I'll let it go.

If a person was jailed for a few years for throwing soup at a painting and glueing themselves to a picture frame to protest at the amount of Immigrants that were allowed to come to the UK, would you think that punishment was too harsh ?

Yes, the protestor being a cunt doesn't make a difference.

My internal bias suggests they would patch a community order and end up in prison anyway though . That and recent evidence suggests that type of protestor prefers arson.

Good stuff - I'm not altogether surprised that you have a consistent viewpoint on this sort of topic.

I mean your viewpoint is wrong but at least it's consistent...

Wait until you find out I'm a prison abolitionist

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:41 pm Wait until you find out I'm a prison abolitionist

straight death penalty for all crime yeah?

Yes, shockingly I'm all in on the death penalty.

If farmers block roads for hours should they be violently removed?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj71zyy934o.amp

Yep, if they don’t move or block a road they’re not supposed to then life in prison. Or just throw them in a combine to save prison space.

Hopefully they are a lot more respectful of London folk but will wait till after the event, mob mentality can make sensible people do stupid things.

Dave!

They got jobs to go back to so I wouldn't worry about them causing prolonged disruption.

Are they proposing to block the passage of emergency vehicles?

Famously, the last time farmers protested it was all very well behaved and peaceful