Harry’s Garage

[ZedLeg]

I’d assume it’s mostly city deliveries (high volume low weight) and folk like Mitie that are usually just ferrying people and gear between jobs.

Pretty much all of the delivery vans round here are those Chinese ev transit knock offs.

[Jobbo]

I’d assume it’s mostly city deliveries (high volume low weight) and folk like Mitie that are usually just ferrying people and gear between jobs.

Pretty much all of the delivery vans round here are those Chinese ev transit knock offs.

I bet they have more than 37 kWh batteries. Vans loaded with stuff aren't noted for their efficiency, even round town, and that size battery is almost the same as a Honda E which was noted for its lack of range.

[ZedLeg]

You’d be surprised by how little weight can be in a city delivery vehicle tbh. It’s why last mile delivery is ruinous for carbon footprint.

I worked with a company that was running deliveries on cargo bikes and their issue was coverage area rather than load.

I’m not saying that’s what that specific van was used for but it’s thr best use case for commercial EVs.

TNT and parcelforce have electric 5 tonne trucks.

[Jobbo]

I'm aware that electric commercial vehicles exist. Ikea use them and have delivered to my house in them a couple of times. I've also acted for a client who rejected an electric van because it did not give anywhere near its expected range. When the actual range is often only 50-60% of the quoted figure on a winter's day, a commercial vehicle is almost useless; final mile delivery should not refer to the readout on the range to empty.

[ZedLeg]

I’m not sure what the argument here is tbh?

What I’m saying is based on working in ecommerce logistics.

[Jobbo]

Have you forgotten that this started with a discussion about that EV van Rich found, which seems to be very cheap until you look at its specs. Cheap would indicate it's unwanted. Or are you now out on a buying spree?

[ZedLeg]

I was never talking about that specific van, I said that.

[Jobbo]

I was never talking about that specific van, I said that.

But that was what started the discussion, and you didn't say that in your first reply on the subject

[ZedLeg]

Jesus Jobbo, I assumed his reply was in response to me saying that the commercial market seems to be thriving.

This place is becoming hard work.

[Jobbo]

Sorry Zed, I'm not trying to be hard work. I just don't get why that van exists and your posting around the subject seemed fairly hard work itself.

[ZedLeg]

I don’t know why that van exists either, that’s probably why it’s so cheap.

I was already talking about the subject generally.

[Jimexpl]

37kWh battery, 56mph top speed and 82 mile range? That isn’t even worth the low asking price. Why was it even available in such a terrible spec?

There is a tiny market for that vehicle. I just looked at my junior engineer's mileage if he uses a vehicle (living in Coulsdon and working in Central London). He typically does 50-80 miles on a day that he's in the car, and carries about 150kg of kit.
He'd struggle to get back home without having to recharge.
There can't be many use cases where the daily mileage would be lower than this.

[Rich B]

37kWh battery, 56mph top speed and 82 mile range? That isn’t even worth the low asking price. Why was it even available in such a terrible spec?

There is a tiny market for that vehicle. I just looked at my junior engineer's mileage if he uses a vehicle (living in Coulsdon and working in Central London). He typically does 50-80 miles on a day that he's in the car, and carries about 150kg of kit.
He'd struggle to get back home without having to recharge.
There can't be many use cases where the daily mileage would be lower than this.

Yeah, it could only really be suited to city centre type deliveries, but then you’d need a city centre depot, otherwise you’d risk using all of your battery getting into the city. Even then, would you risk it for multiple deliveries, with no way of doing an out of town one if needed.

they’re basically only useful for milk floats or paper rounds.

[Rich B]

They’ll be worth more in parts if they drop much lower.

[ZedLeg]

Much like the cars, electric commercial vehicles aren’t going to work for everyone but for companies like DPD or contract services where they’ll have people doing the same loop of a hundred or so miles once or twice a day then parking overnight. They could’ve been tailor made for it.

Just for the cheap seats, I’m not talking specifically about the van that Rich posted.

[Rich B]

I just looked at the price of that e-transporter new. £42k. So the depreciation was £2.25 a mile!

i reckon someone is making good use of tax allowances of some kind…

[integrale_evo]

Would make a good shell donor for a crashed diesel one given how much even battered high mileage vans seem to cost

[Rich B]

Would make a good shell donor for a crashed diesel one given how much even battered high mileage vans seem to cost

Exactly - they’ll be worth more in parts very soon.

[RobYob]

I really don't think electricity is the issue here. It's the fact that Porsche haven't really used it the right way (to improve efficiency overall) and it's not obvious why.

Well Porsche do have a reputation for jumping into new tech. First variable geometry turbos on a petrol engine, that tech now superseded by the E-tubs.

But I agreed sticking the fanciest of new tech on the 3.6 GTS is odd. They could have put it on a lower capacity engine and delivered great performance with better economy or a bigger engine/high boost model for headline performance.

Maybe just a public beta for the E-tubs before sticking it on that horrible four cylinder donk.

1700kg too Porsche have finally caught up to the R35 GTR!

[speedingfine]

Funnily enough, I saw the coupe for the first time this weekend. Nice in the metal.