OV9

ZedLeg wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:04 pm
I'm just going to glide over the forced diversity stuff because I can't see there being any agreement there .

ETA I could see the argument that it's demographic box ticking but the characters have stories worth telling and it's nice to occasionally have a big budget popcorn movie not fronted by a white guy called Chris.

I have no issue with diversity, to be clear, just the forced aspect as it does both sides a disservice. He should be there on his merits as a character not just for his background, gender or colour.

Agree on the latter comment, which is why I felt let down as it wasn't a great launch pad for the character..

Barry wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:33 am

RobYob wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:48 am

Barry wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:09 pm

He was excellent but he couldn't make up for the rest of the nonsense.

BP is the Best stand alone non-comedy* MCU movie since, well...

Define best?

I really enjoyed the whole ride, story was a classic revenge based in sins of the father's. Bad guy had believable motivations and nobody carried a dumball to move the plot along. And maybe I have a thing for fit as bald chicks. Lexus advertising chase was bloody good fun. Only nitpick I'd have was the American Hobbit fighter jock secret not Coulson agent.

I have it on Blu-ray as it happens, so I might have another viewing to see if it grabs me, I just remember coming out of the last one unsatisfied.

PS: I really don't understand the Serkis worship, he's a decent actor but doesn't stand out to me like he appears to for others.

ZedLeg wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:11 am Ah I never pay attention to who makes Film music as much as I should but he’s made a couple of my favourite recent scores. Mother (which is also a tremendous mind fuck of a movie) and Arrival were both ace.

If you like Mandy, the director’s first movie is worth watching as well. It’s called Beyond The Black Rainbow, more of a sci-fi horror and a definite first movie feel but it looks great and has a nice minimal electro score.

Mother is indeed a cracking film. He also scored Sicario.

If you like the soundtracks, some of his solo stuff is incredible - Englaborn and Orphee are two of my favourites. IBM 1401 is also great.

Cool, I'll need to look that up.

I'd like to here what he did for Blade Runner, I enjoyed the new one way more than I thought I would.

Barry wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:26 pm I have it on Blu-ray as it happens, so I might have another viewing to see if it grabs me, I just remember coming out of the last one unsatisfied.

PS: I really don't understand the Serkis worship, he's a decent actor but doesn't stand out to me like he appears to for others.

Not worship but I thought is character was really funny and stood out amongst the rest.

Barry wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:58 am I get that and it's not a bad film in its own right, I'm just a little tired of this panic to shoe in female or non white leads for the sake of diversity rather than on their own merits I suppose.

Why on earth do you think that?

These characters (including Ms Marvel) were around decades ago, they have not been created to appease political correctness like in Doctor Who.

They actually made a point in the comic books about Sam (Falcon) being drafted into the Avengers as the token black character to replace Hawkeye in order to be politically correct in 1980 and how distasteful that was. So if the producers know their Marvel history they will avoid doing that, and thus far I think they have (with the exception of the new Spider-Man MJ)

Assault on Precinct 13 (1976 version) is on Film 4 at the moment and I hadn't watched it for over a decade. Simple but gripping with a great soundtrack.

Well worth a watch.

Mark_bt52 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:32 pm

Barry wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:58 am I get that and it's not a bad film in its own right, I'm just a little tired of this panic to shoe in female or non white leads for the sake of diversity rather than on their own merits I suppose.

Why on earth do you think that?

These characters (including Ms Marvel) were around decades ago, they have not been created to appease political correctness like in Doctor Who.

They actually made a point in the comic books about Sam (Falcon) being drafted into the Avengers as the token black character to replace Hawkeye in order to be politically correct in 1980 and how distasteful that was. So if the producers know their Marvel history they will avoid doing that, and thus far I think they have (with the exception of the new Spider-Man MJ)

I'm aware that these characters were around long before it became a mad scramble to be PC about absolutely everything, but the only link to Wakanda is Caps shield and that felt a little tenuous as a reason to bring in this character otherwise - aside from some tech and insane physical skills he's not really a stand out character to me (same with Hawkeye, and to some degree Cap - but I can well see why he was the chosen one to start this whole series off).

It's not the creation of the characters (or anything specific about colour/creed/sex), its the choice of who and why that feels forced, is what I'm getting at. The vast choices available to them and they happen to choose a black character with nearly all black supporting cast etc. Nothing wrong with any of that, but they just don't fit with the story/character roster for me.

Ironically I am quite looking forward to Capt Marvel as I hear she's got insane levels of power available to her and i am intrigued to see how that pans out as a character. Being female as well is a nice bonus of course.

Sorry but Black Panther was a big character mainly as a member of the Avengers as well as with his own series of comics. And the background wiith Wakanda being a source of Adamantium was in the comics too.
Frankly it would be a bit weird if they hadn't. Made him such a big deal.

The Ms../ Captain Marvel thing was a big long running thing but really needs the Captain Mar-Vell background story to do it justice.

The characters that have been under used compared to the books are Hawkeye and the Thing. Hopefully with Marvel having control of Fantastic 4 now they can fix that one, if another FF reboot isn't too much to bear..

I’m looking forward to the Orko origin film - great to see him saving Prince Adam and cringer.

Barry wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:38 am

Mark_bt52 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:32 pm

Barry wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:58 am I get that and it's not a bad film in its own right, I'm just a little tired of this panic to shoe in female or non white leads for the sake of diversity rather than on their own merits I suppose.

Why on earth do you think that?

These characters (including Ms Marvel) were around decades ago, they have not been created to appease political correctness like in Doctor Who.

They actually made a point in the comic books about Sam (Falcon) being drafted into the Avengers as the token black character to replace Hawkeye in order to be politically correct in 1980 and how distasteful that was. So if the producers know their Marvel history they will avoid doing that, and thus far I think they have (with the exception of the new Spider-Man MJ)

I'm aware that these characters were around long before it became a mad scramble to be PC about absolutely everything, but the only link to Wakanda is Caps shield and that felt a little tenuous as a reason to bring in this character otherwise - aside from some tech and insane physical skills he's not really a stand out character to me (same with Hawkeye, and to some degree Cap - but I can well see why he was the chosen one to start this whole series off).

It's not the creation of the characters (or anything specific about colour/creed/sex), its the choice of who and why that feels forced, is what I'm getting at. The vast choices available to them and they happen to choose a black character with nearly all black supporting cast etc. Nothing wrong with any of that, but they just don't fit with the story/character roster for me.

Ironically I am quite looking forward to Capt Marvel as I hear she's got insane levels of power available to her and i am intrigued to see how that pans out as a character. Being female as well is a nice bonus of course.

Eh? Iron Man started the whole thing off iirc. As far as I can see you don't like Black Panther and are scrabbling about trying to justify your dislike when in fact you can just say "I don't really like that one" and nobody would care. Instead you seem to be at pains to show your lack of understanding around the Marvel World (and i am no expert by any stretch) but you also to create nothing sentences:

"It's not the creation of the characters (or anything specific about colour/creed/sex), its the choice of who and why that feels forced, is what I'm getting at. The vast choices available to them and they happen to choose a black character with nearly all black supporting cast etc."

What does that even mean? He is a phase 2 character, well known in the comic world and needed to be brought in. I would love you to explain exactly what you mean though?

I've already said I didn't like the film, it was the first thing I said if you read back. Well made film, decent acting etc. I just didn't feel anything about the character.

He's phase 2 because the film makers planned it that way presumably so that means little to me as an outsider to this world. If he was that important why wait till ph2 though?

My point you quoted seems pretty clear to me, I don't know the MCU all that well at all, so it all felt like forced diversity for the sake of it, was my point. Mark has subsequently pointed out that in the comic world it actually had good reasons, which is enough for me to take that as read. You can screw your face and pick holes all your want, I was just giving my thoughts based on the evidence in front of me.

Are Dennis and Gnasher ph3?

NotoriousREV wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:16 pm Are Dennis and Gnasher ph3?

No, but Prancer and Rudolph are.

NotoriousREV wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:16 pm Are Dennis and Gnasher ph3?

will they push Orko to phase 4!?

Rich B wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:39 pm

NotoriousREV wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:16 pm Are Dennis and Gnasher ph3?

will they push Orko to phase 4!?

Black Orko?

Watched The Meg on Saturday. It was alright.

First Man: emotional and incredible. Must watch.

Crazy, Stupid Love - chick flick no doubt, I liked it though. Easy watching.