Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:05 pm
then more will go to jail. 
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Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:09 pm
There's that sneer
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:34 pm
It’s not as though the law isn’t clear. if sneering is not having sympathy with people intentionally breaking the law knowing they’ll go to jail, then i guess i’m cyril sneer.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:35 pm
It's not a case of sympathy imo, prison in this instance is a big expensive waste of time all round. Would be much better to have them doing something productive.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:44 pm
like what? they openly break the law knowing the consequences. Any other “punishment” will just be abused for getting attention too.ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:35 pm It's not a case of sympathy imo, prison in this instance is a big expensive waste of time all round. Would be much better to have them doing something productive.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:46 pm
So? As long as they're doing the thing who cares. The thing could be cleaning graffiti or whatever. The stuff that people on community orders usually do.
If they aren't breaking the law to get attention for their cause what's the problem?
If they aren't breaking the law to get attention for their cause what's the problem?
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:18 pm
Read the sentencing remarks linked above - the judge made a good point about the frame.ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:48 am It's a stretch to say frames are part of the artwork. Painters rarely sell their work framed. Also they didn't deliberately damage them.
And I'd argue they definitely did deliberately damage the frame - they threw the soup not knowing if the picture was even protected by glass (see judges comments again) so clearly and damage is deliberate.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:26 pm
Section s.57 of the Sentencing Code lists five purposes of sentencing:
Number 1 and 2 are as follows:
Number 1 and 2 are as follows:
- To punish the offender – this can include going to prison, doing unpaid work in the community, obeying a curfew or paying a fine.
- To reduce crime – by preventing the offender from committing more crime, and putting others off from committing similar offences.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:39 pm
I was just saying what I would prefer.
Using prisons as warehouses for thousands of petty criminals doesn't seem to be working out that well for us.
Using prisons as warehouses for thousands of petty criminals doesn't seem to be working out that well for us.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:40 pm
prison seems to do the job pretty well.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:42 pm
I forget how much liberals love prisons sometimes tbh
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:46 pm
Worth bearing in mind that 2 years is more than the guy we're discussing in the youtube thread got.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:48 pm
if you deliberately choose to publicly do a crime with prison time in its sentencing guidelines, don’t be surprised if you get sentenced to prison time.
Find a better way to protest.
Find a better way to protest.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:49 pm
No one is surprised Rich, they're arguing that the length of sentences aren't representative of the crime.
I personally don't think they should have gone to prison but who the fuck cares what I think.
I personally don't think they should have gone to prison but who the fuck cares what I think.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:53 pm
Funnily enough TSB posted this yesterday too (previous poster not making reference to Mr Pollitt obviously)ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:46 pm Worth bearing in mind that 2 years is more than the guy we're discussing in the youtube thread got.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:54 pm
What else could the judges do? if they go lenient, there’ll be hoards of people blocking the M25 and vandalising every priceless artwork by dinner time. All of them citing the cases of how the last people only got community service.ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:49 pm No one is surprised Rich, they're arguing that the length of sentences aren't representative of the crime.
I personally don't think they should have gone to prison but who the fuck cares what I think.
they’ve forced the hand of the authorities - they have to get the most the crimes can get or it’ll just be a green light for more. the M25 guys said in court that they’ll just do it again when released…
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:55 pm
I care what you think because there seems to be a hell of a lot of people who think they way that you do. We all have to try see all sides of a problem or debate or difference because otherwise, we just end up being entrenched.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:56 pm
Aye, my thing is that warehousing thousands of petty non violent criminals can't be helping this prison crisis we keep hearing about. We just gave a load of prisoners early release to make space.
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:57 pm
That's my point though, everyone knows that the sentences aren't going to stop the protests, give them work that makes a difference in the community so at least they're giving something back in between wasting folk's time.Rich B wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:54 pmWhat else could the judges do? if they go lenient, there’ll be hoards of people blocking the M25 and vandalising every priceless artwork by dinner time. All of them citing the cases of how the last people only got community service.ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:49 pm No one is surprised Rich, they're arguing that the length of sentences aren't representative of the crime.
I personally don't think they should have gone to prison but who the fuck cares what I think.
they’ve forced the hand of the authorities - they have to get the most the crimes can get or it’ll just be a green light for more. the M25 guys said in court that they’ll just do it again when released…
Re: The Protest Thread.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:02 pm
they just won’t do it. They’ll not turn up - the authorities will waste thousands trying to enforce them to do it and they’ll turn it into another twitter photo opportunity.ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:57 pmThat's my point though, everyone knows that the sentences aren't going to stop the protests, give them work that makes a difference in the community so at least they're giving something back in between wasting folk's time.Rich B wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:54 pmWhat else could the judges do? if they go lenient, there’ll be hoards of people blocking the M25 and vandalising every priceless artwork by dinner time. All of them citing the cases of how the last people only got community service.ZedLeg wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:49 pm No one is surprised Rich, they're arguing that the length of sentences aren't representative of the crime.
I personally don't think they should have gone to prison but who the fuck cares what I think.
they’ve forced the hand of the authorities - they have to get the most the crimes can get or it’ll just be a green light for more. the M25 guys said in court that they’ll just do it again when released…
how are they going to paint fences when they’re chained to a motorway gantry?