Trump effect at work in Aus, the conservatives lost a 5% two party lead in Jan'25 polling to get absolutely smashed in yesterday's vote.
The Conservative leader copped the tag "Temu Trump" who lost his own seat held for 24 years.
The conservative opposition ran a policy free campaign assuming public sentiment on cost of living and housing shortage would see them easily get into power.
Our own local wannabe oligarch outspent everyone else combined 2:1 for advertising for his own party "Trumpet for Patriots" and got ~1% of the vote.
Re: Trump
Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:17 pm
by DaveE
RobYob wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 9:46 pm
Trump effect at work in Aus, the conservatives lost a 5% two party lead in Jan'25 polling to get absolutely smashed in yesterday's vote.
The Conservative leader copped the tag "Temu Trump" who lost his own seat held for 24 years.
The conservative opposition ran a policy free campaign assuming public sentiment on cost of living and housing shortage would see them easily get into power.
Our own local wannabe oligarch outspent everyone else combined 2:1 for advertising for his own party "Trumpet for Patriots" and got ~1% of the vote.
And yet in the UK, Reform has surged...
Re: Trump
Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:42 pm
by Simon
Local elections do not equal general elections.
Re: Trump
Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:52 pm
by integrale_evo
I think labelling reform as a party for protest voters and stupid people is a bit of a dangerous game. Many said similar about trump, and that he’d never get back in…
They seem to be gaining a pretty strong following from a lot of ‘normal’ people who are completely disillusioned by the two big party’s.
Labour seem deeply unpopular with just about everyone, no one wants the tories back in, and I expect a huge number of people have no idea who their leader is at the moment.
Re: Trump
Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 11:28 pm
by Mito Man
I don't think I've ever seen the country so united in hating Labour. And the last lot were even worse and still hated. Kemi is an idiot.
Farage has the advantage that his party doesn't come with baggage. And as we've all seen you can say and promise anything you want when in opposition. None of the liars are held to account. Farage promises a lot but even if he does get in power he'll realise he has to play off the same shite chessboard and he can barely make any moves or risk being checkmated.
Re: Trump
Posted: Sun May 04, 2025 12:02 pm
by Simon
It's odd because Farage is Brexit and the majority of people now favour being in the EU, so where is reforms support coming from?
Re: Trump
Posted: Sun May 04, 2025 12:14 pm
by Gavster
I always find that people massively underestimate the power of the silent majority of the population when it comes to voting. When it comes to voting sentiment, Reform seems to have hit something like Kingdon's policy window, which is a brief moment in time where politics, issues and policies create an opening for something to actually change.
Re: Trump
Posted: Sun May 04, 2025 1:07 pm
by IanF
Definitely think we’re approaching our own Trump moment.. through social media, inflammatory “click-baity” mainstream media and a parliament that seems to think/react differently to the general populace opinion, over reacting with some items and under with others, creates a divide between us (the general population) and our current Politicians (Lab, Cons and LDs to a certain extent) that an outsider, who has never delivered anything, can walk in, promise change, drink a pint of beer without looking like they are being guided through the process move by move, and actually have an opinion on topics (ignoring the reality of how those policies would actually affect people) gets people’s attention and, potentially, their vote.
As is said above, don’t underestimate the importance and the risk; especially as I imagine Musk is probably already funnelling money towards Farage..
Re: Trump
Posted: Sun May 04, 2025 1:46 pm
by V8Granite
Simon wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 12:02 pm
It's odd because Farage is Brexit and the majority of people now favour being in the EU, so where is reforms support coming from?
Border force folk at IHG in Ramsgate have made them remove sausages and bacon from breakfast as it offends the criminals. You now have to go to a seperate room.
When people are put second behind criminals, it pisses people off.
Dave!
Re: Trump
Posted: Sun May 04, 2025 1:48 pm
by Rich B
IanF wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 1:07 pm
Definitely think we’re approaching our own Trump moment.. through social media, inflammatory “click-baity” mainstream media and a parliament that seems to think/react differently to the general populace opinion, over reacting with some items and under with others, creates a divide between us (the general population) and our current Politicians (Lab, Cons and LDs to a certain extent) that an outsider, who has never delivered anything, can walk in, promise change, drink a pint of beer without looking like they are being guided through the process move by move, and actually have an opinion on topics (ignoring the reality of how those policies would actually affect people) gets people’s attention and, potentially, their vote.
As is said above, don’t underestimate the importance and the risk; especially as I imagine Musk is probably already funnelling money towards Farage..
Has Musk reverted to supporting Farage now? He was calling for him to move aside as the Reform leader not that long ago.
the whole Musk situation has highlighted an interesting point though - when these politicians have no “real world” product to sell, they are basically untouchable with no way to protest against. But as soon as they have a business that can be boycotted - they show how little support they actually have.
IanF wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 1:07 pm
Definitely think we’re approaching our own Trump moment.. through social media, inflammatory “click-baity” mainstream media and a parliament that seems to think/react differently to the general populace opinion, over reacting with some items and under with others, creates a divide between us (the general population) and our current Politicians (Lab, Cons and LDs to a certain extent) that an outsider, who has never delivered anything, can walk in, promise change, drink a pint of beer without looking like they are being guided through the process move by move, and actually have an opinion on topics (ignoring the reality of how those policies would actually affect people) gets people’s attention and, potentially, their vote.
As is said above, don’t underestimate the importance and the risk; especially as I imagine Musk is probably already funnelling money towards Farage..
Has Musk reverted to supporting Farage now? He was calling for him to move aside as the Reform leader not that long ago.
the whole Musk situation has highlighted an interesting point though - when these politicians have no “real world” product to sell, they are basically untouchable with no way to protest against. But as soon as they have a business that can be boycotted - they show how little support they actually have.
Maybe Reform would be more accurate, but they’re pretty indistinguishable to me
Simon wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 12:02 pm
It's odd because Farage is Brexit and the majority of people now favour being in the EU, so where is reforms support coming from?
Border force folk at IHG in Ramsgate have made them remove sausages and bacon from breakfast as it offends the criminals. You now have to go to a seperate room.
Dave!
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Re: Trump
Posted: Mon May 05, 2025 9:50 am
by Sundayjumper
Movies are a security threat. Tariffwang.
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Simon wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 12:02 pm
It's odd because Farage is Brexit and the majority of people now favour being in the EU, so where is reforms support coming from?
Border force folk at IHG in Ramsgate have made them remove sausages and bacon from breakfast as it offends the criminals. You now have to go to a seperate room.
When people are put second behind criminals, it pisses people off.
Dave!
I don't think I'm going massively out on a limb in calling utter bullshit. File alongside "Christmas must now be called Winterval to appease the nasty migrants"
Also - asylum seekers are not criminals. They are mostly just human beings running away from having the shit bombed out of them, and vast majority have their asylum applications approved.
Re: Trump
Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 4:07 pm
by Delphi
The largely right wing media are in no small part responsible for the surge in Reform support. Everyone's trumpeting how Reform are a force to be reckoned with following the council elections when
a) Reform have 677 of a total of over 20,000 UK councillors
b) Some 500 of those were taken from the Tories
c) Hardly anyone votes in them and the ones that do are more willing to take a gamble with their vote.
When the mainstream media stop sucking Farage's cock, they'll disappear into the political wilderness where they belong.
