Your fleet running reports

[Foz]

Which car is it. the blue SR?

[mik]

No. Blue NA (earlier) Evora.

(Not the blue SR Aliceozier has just sold)

[Matty]

Mik is correct, and yeah, should have made that clearer. I'm buying from a private seller, garage are inspecting it on my behalf, the inspection threw up faulty AC unit, which was still warranted as garage had only fitted it within last few months so they agreed to replace FoC, but now there are increased charges.

So garage are asking if I'll stump up £350. I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to, but at the same time refusing and landing CMC seems like a cunty move as he's been so accommodating so far with sorting it.

[scotta]

Mik is correct, and yeah, should have made that clearer. I'm buying from a private seller, garage are inspecting it on my behalf, the inspection threw up faulty AC unit, which was still warranted as garage had only fitted it within last few months so they agreed to replace FoC, but now there are increased charges.

So garage are asking if I'll stump up £350. I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to, but at the same time refusing and landing CMC seems like a cunty move as he's been so accommodating so far with sorting it.

Had it been joe bloggs garage id have said fuck em' but Craig's a good guy and has done a lot of stuff for Me, Mik, Nef and Ross.

Id pay it to keep the relationship..but your call as it's a different scenario.

[mik]

Your last sentence sums it up for me. I think i’d feel he right thing to do is split the £350 50/50 between you.

[Mito Man]

Is the clutch not warranted then? I guess the garage want you to pay otherwise they wouldn’t have called you in the first place. Awkward...

[Jobbo]

I'm not sure I get it. The seller wouldn't have had to stump up anything if he kept it, because the part is under warranty and would have been replaced at no cost to the seller.

CMC may have been helpful but they ought to be able to get the cost back from the warranty company, surely?

[mik]

Read again.

No stock from original source to execute warranty swap. He’s tried to move things along via alternative route.

[scotta]

So the clutch is an additional part not included in the warranty claim and is a separate part. The choice to go with this was to circumvent the time waiting for parts on back order?

[Beany]

Saw a cheap Puma on the local for sale site. 1.6, get out of here. Had a sniff on AT to see what cheap Pumas were in the area.

Twenty minutes later I'm badly rationalising a purchase.

I'm not going to do it, just realised how badly I miss it

They're all getting on a bit now though. If it ain't rust, it'd be heater components, if it weren't heater components it'd be bushes, if it weren't bushes it'd be shock absorbers, etc etc.

I literally have no reason to have a second car, too.

Ah well.

[Matty]

Simon is correct (obviously) in that the seller would have simply waited and not had this cost at all. Seller is already down £500 due to excess insurance charges, plus the £350 for this part, so I expect he's pissed off too.

CMC were under the impression the AC pump came with a clutch, it's only when it arrived and he went back to the catalogue that it had been revised to say the clutch was separate, hence the extra unexpected cost.

[scotta]

Saw a cheap Puma on the local for sale site. 1.6, get out of here. Had a sniff on AT to see what cheap Pumas were in the area.

Twenty minutes later I'm badly rationalising a purchase.

I'm not going to do it, just realised how badly I miss it

They're all getting on a bit now though. If it ain't rust, it'd be heater components, if it weren't heater components it'd be bushes, if it weren't bushes it'd be shock absorbers, etc etc.

I literally have no reason to have a second car, too.

Ah well.

Move on...Buy an MX-5 if you need to!

[Matty]

So the clutch is an additional part not included in the warranty claim and is a separate part. The choice to go with this was to circumvent the time waiting for parts on back order?

Yes. He tried to move things faster, said he'd take the pump cost on the chin to get the car back on the road, but wasn't expecting the huge cost of the clutch. He agreed to absorb £600, but understandably not £1300 total inc. clutch.

Ultimately, reading all of this back - while I probably shouldn't have to pay it, it really is pretty shitty of me to argue it when both CMC and seller are down far more than this....

[GG.]

That does somewhat put a different slant on it re CMC - it was their fuck up in not realising they needed the clutch that has generated this significant extra cost. Given it is winter now I expect you may have decided to wait for the original part had you known the full costs in advance.

Gives you slightly more justification to ask them to swallow it but i'd still just split the remaining amount with them as a goodwill gesture if you plan (or think you may have to) use them again and at the end of the day they were trying their best to speed things up for you.

[Beany]

Ah, but the familiarity of the primary controls, the engine noise, the rust....

Nostalgia is a dangerous drug!

[NotoriousREV]

Simon is correct (obviously) in that the seller would have simply waited and not had this cost at all. Seller is already down £500 due to excess insurance charges, plus the £350 for this part, so I expect he's pissed off too.

CMC were under the impression the AC pump came with a clutch, it's only when it arrived and he went back to the catalogue that it had been revised to say the clutch was separate, hence the extra unexpected cost.

Maybe I'm a bit more of a cunt, but I thought it worked like this:

- Garage inspects car, comes up with list of things that need fixing
- Buyer and seller agree what work will be carried out and who will pay for what, essentially agreeing a price
- everybody lives happily ever after

If the garage has incurred an additional £700 cost without authorisation from either buyer or seller, then surely that's tough shit on them?

[Jimmy Choo]

Ah, but the familiarity of the primary controls, the engine noise, the rust....

Nostalgia is a dangerous drug!

This is why I've blocked 166 adverts from my brain.

[GG.]

Simon is correct (obviously) in that the seller would have simply waited and not had this cost at all. Seller is already down £500 due to excess insurance charges, plus the £350 for this part, so I expect he's pissed off too.

CMC were under the impression the AC pump came with a clutch, it's only when it arrived and he went back to the catalogue that it had been revised to say the clutch was separate, hence the extra unexpected cost.

Maybe I'm a bit more of a cunt, but I thought it worked like this:

- Garage inspects car, comes up with list of things that need fixing
- Buyer and seller agree what work will be carried out and who will pay for what, essentially agreeing a price
- everybody lives happily ever after

If the garage has incurred an additional £700 cost without authorisation from either buyer or seller, then surely that's tough shit on them?

You're right in that its the garage's fuck up but it's more a relationship point if Matty want's to keep them onside in the future.

If you look at it another way. They could have said, you need a new compressor, the original part isn't available/has no stated delivery time but we can swap for a different part if you pay £175 extra (assuming he agrees to split the remaining £350) and you can take delivery of your shiny new car rather than waiting indefinitely / drive around with no air-conditioning. If you take that view its just a pay up and move on thing IMO.

[NotoriousREV]

Simon is correct (obviously) in that the seller would have simply waited and not had this cost at all. Seller is already down £500 due to excess insurance charges, plus the £350 for this part, so I expect he's pissed off too.

CMC were under the impression the AC pump came with a clutch, it's only when it arrived and he went back to the catalogue that it had been revised to say the clutch was separate, hence the extra unexpected cost.

Maybe I'm a bit more of a cunt, but I thought it worked like this:

- Garage inspects car, comes up with list of things that need fixing
- Buyer and seller agree what work will be carried out and who will pay for what, essentially agreeing a price
- everybody lives happily ever after

If the garage has incurred an additional £700 cost without authorisation from either buyer or seller, then surely that's tough shit on them?

You're right in that its the garage's fuck up but it's more a relationship point if Matty want's to keep them onside in the future.

If you look at it another way. They could have said, you need a new compressor, the original part isn't available/has no stated delivery time but we can swap for a different part if you pay £175 extra (assuming he agrees to split the remaining £350) and you can take delivery of your shiny new car rather than waiting indefinitely / drive around with no air-conditioning. If you take that view its just a pay up and move on thing IMO.

But surely the point of doing an inspection in the first place is to confirm that you're buying a good car, or at the very least a known quantity? i.e. either it's "perfect" or you know what's wrong with it and the price reflects that and you can decide what you want to fix and when, or walk away.

Personally, I wouldn't expect to put a car I was considering buying to end up putting me out of pocket before I've bought the thing. The car is worth [whatever a perfect example costs] - ([cost of fixing it] + [consideration for hassle]) unless the seller agrees to pay for all the work up front.

I get the relationship angle, but it's a business transaction and the end of the day.

As I said, maybe I'm just cuntier than you lot.

[Jobbo]

If all of the broken/required parts were under warranty, what would the warranty company do? If the warranty wouldn't cover the full cost, the seller should bear it, IMO; they're selling you a car which should have working air-con.

ETA: not a lot of relationship benefit to Matt, either, unless he fancies holidaying in Scotland whenever the car needs a service.