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Well this addresses the Cybertruck “oh ma gawd they dropped it on concrete which is why it snapped and any car dropped on concrete would also fail the same way” nonsense

Once these trucks get on in age, high miles, metal fatigue, it’s going to get rather interesting I reckon.

Not a cybertruck but Tesla related

Oh shit, we’re getting closer to TEH FUTUREZ


Also Robotaxi was unveiled last night. No steering wheel or pedals.


And a bus/van too

I want it

Mito Man wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:56 am Also Robotaxi was unveiled last night. No steering wheel or pedals.

Only MElon would come up with a 2-seater coupe taxi.

Also complaining that Waymo is geofenced, then geofencing cybertaxi to Cali and Texas. Genius.

Mito Man wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:56 am Oh shit, we’re getting closer to TEH FUTUREZ

That just sounds like it's got a SIM in it and they're talking to some bloke sat in a call centre somewhere. I'm not having it that that's AI in any way.

I see Musk is trying to bump Tesla stock again, with things that will never happen.

Be pretty hard to make a driverless car when your current cars can't legally be driven driverless, and you've been claiming you'll have driverless options since twenty seventeen while other companies actually, you know, are testing and trying to implement it.

People need to stop taking Teslas announcements at face value.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:44 am
That just sounds like it's got a SIM in it and they're talking to some bloke sat in a call centre somewhere. I'm not having it that that's AI in any way.

That's exactly what I thought when I heard the response to "what's the hardest thing about being a robot" question

Mito Man wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:58 am I want it

£5 says that's telepresence - too many micro-movements than an actual robot wouldn't do as they're not necessary for balance/positioning and would potentially cause problems with balance and positioning.

Those aren't the movements of a device scanning in 3D and making movements and actions to suit - those are the moments of someone very carefully remote controlling a set of arms.

It’s all early days, but this is pretty frightening stuff when you apply it to say 15 years to the future and think of the job consequences.

Also, even if that robot is pretty much controlled by a human currently - will the near term future just be chaps in Indian/Chinese call centres controlling bots over here for a pittance. Why have a street sweeper here on £25k a year when you can have a chap in a call centre controlling 3 of them for much less than that and so on…

It's barely possible to do this locally as a professional, trained for it - as you can tell by how carefully these things are moving.

It's not happening remotely, because why would you spend hundreds of thousands on a robot and then pay to have someone teleoperate it when you can just hire a person and it will be cheaper and that's before we get into issues of latency.

It's not early days - Boston Dynamics can actually do this stuff for real. This is utter bollocks.

Beany wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:38 am It's barely possible to do this locally as a professional, trained for it - as you can tell by how carefully these things are moving.

It's not happening remotely, because why would you spend hundreds of thousands on a robot and then pay to have someone teleoperate it when you can just hire a person and it will be cheaper and that's before we get into issues of latency.

It's not early days - Boston Dynamics can actually do this stuff for real. This is utter bollocks.

Isn’t this already how all robotically assisted manufacturing sites work? A few people supervising a bunch of robots, from the safety of another room.
Soon those robots will be free to move and wander, carrying out autonomous tasks. That’ll be the oh shit moment.

Mito Man wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:27 pm

Beany wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:38 am It's barely possible to do this locally as a professional, trained for it - as you can tell by how carefully these things are moving.

It's not happening remotely, because why would you spend hundreds of thousands on a robot and then pay to have someone teleoperate it when you can just hire a person and it will be cheaper and that's before we get into issues of latency.

It's not early days - Boston Dynamics can actually do this stuff for real. This is utter bollocks.

Isn’t this already how all robotically assisted manufacturing sites work? A few people supervising a bunch of robots, from the safety of another room.
Soon those robots will be free to move and wander, carrying out autonomous tasks. That’ll be the oh shit moment.

...no? Not even remotely.

The robots have predetermined paths put in, and the infrastructure to support that.

The Boston Dynamics stuff? Fuck knows, they keep that close to their chest for the most part, but they do work effectively themselves - IE they'd get high level instructions then implement those instructions independently ; "pick up box 05 and put it to location A3" - but certainly not someone fully remotely operating them as far as I'm aware.

I'm skeptical of the whole premise honestly - there are niches where things like this might work (high risk environments) but on a day to day basis, meatbags are cheaper and more flexible by orders of magnitude.

I think we are a bit further along than that Beany, eg.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmar ... ai-robots/

That being said, I don’t trust a single thing Elon says, and those “robots” did seem to have the hesitation that a human response takes, but which a robot accessing a database doesn’t. Almost like the operator was reading a script..

Amazons kit is mighty impressive, but it's pretty 'single use' and requires extreme integration that really only Amazon can do as it stands, so I don't really count that - it's also not quite what Musk is pretending to be offering, or BD functionally are offering which is rather more flexible in terms of it's use.

I hear he Musk is saying that them robots will be $20 to $30k 'at scale'

A bit like the $40k Cybertruck, right?

That anyone takes his claims seriously at this stage, just from a purely 'announcement vs delivery' standpoint, never mind that he's a bigoted fucking clown, staggers me.

The extra emphasis at the beginning of 'wonderful', followed by the 'errr' a few seconds later proves that 'robot' voice is just a remote worker. No-one seriously believes that was real AI right?

Simon wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:50 pm The extra emphasis at the beginning of 'wonderful', followed by the 'errr' a few seconds later proves that 'robot' voice is just a remote worker. No-one seriously believes that was real AI right?

AIs won't interrupt you or talk over you regularly because they need to be able to hear your subsequent commands for processing. Chat GPT voice can insert, 'uh's and thing, but it does so as part of a statement.

Had Tesla AI been able to process voice like that - talking and listening in a genuinely conversational manner - it'd be a revolution in speech processing and verbal management. That they haven't mentioned it means it's a guy on the end of a bad mic over a mobile connection for the audio which you can tell from the audible jitter.....

edit: apparently staff at the event confirmed that the robots were being teleoperated, although I can't find a proper source for that, and I'm working, so meh.