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mik wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:36 am They appear to be rather big.

Interesting to see that pic, I didn’t actually appreciate how many design cues had carried over, the little roof slope, the Front to back ridge under the side windows- it’s actually made me like it a bit more seeing it compared like that. It is quite big though, but then it was never going to be small with all the crash structures needed for modern vehicles

Be interesting to see the whole range - it seems that the evoque 5 door, discovery sport, defender 110 and the velar are all pretty much the same size? Which is only a tiny bit smaller than the discovery and Range Rover. Do they just steal sales from each other with everyone just getting the newest one?

A side by side view is more telling as a Defender is very narrow.

Dave!

V8Granite wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:41 pm a Defender is very narrow.

Which one?

mik wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:13 pm

V8Granite wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:41 pm a Defender is very narrow.

Which one?

The skinny one

It doesn’t look that much bigger, looks taller but the new Defender appears to be in its lifted position. If it is only 30 cm longer then that’s pretty amazing for a 7 seat car with crumple zones.

Carlos wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:07 pm Wow, I'd assumed that they were smaller than a Disco

If we're talking about a high school Disco then yes, but only just.

So without the spare wheel on the back it’s the same length as a W164 ML which isn’t bad at all.

Dave!

Seeing them head-on, side by side the difference doesn't look as bad. The new one is only marginally wider and longer and doesn't seem to be as tall as the old one unless its ride height is increased for use in water.

Mito Man wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:00 pm It doesn’t look that much bigger, looks taller but the new Defender appears to be in its lifted position. If it is only 30 cm longer then that’s pretty amazing for a 7 seat car with crumple zones.

The rear overhang of the new Defender appears to be shorter too (ignoring the wheel) and the front over hang isn’t that much larger. Interior space is massively improved on the new one.

jamcg wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:12 pm

mik wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:36 am They appear to be rather big.

Interesting to see that pic, I didn’t actually appreciate how many design cues had carried over, the little roof slope, the Front to back ridge under the side windows- it’s actually made me like it a bit more seeing it compared like that. It is quite big though, but then it was never going to be small with all the crash structures needed for modern vehicles

When sitting in a new one it feels like a Defender, in a good way, you have elbow room and more practicality for example but the shape is unmistakeable.

Perhaps it's just me, but I think it's the wheels that make it look much 'bigger'. I'm too crap with photoshop to shrink 'em down, anyone care to try?

Beany wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:15 pm Perhaps it's just me, but I think it's the wheels that make it look much 'bigger'. I'm too crap with photoshop to shrink 'em down, anyone care to try?

That’s because the wheels and tyre pairings are larger on the new Defender, largest ones LR have ever fit to a series production car

Orange Cola wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:17 pm

Beany wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:15 pm Perhaps it's just me, but I think it's the wheels that make it look much 'bigger'. I'm too crap with photoshop to shrink 'em down, anyone care to try?

That’s because the wheels and tyre pairings are larger on the new Defender, largest ones LR have ever fit to a series production car

Yeah, that doesn't shock me in all fairness. I'm quite sure it impacts the 'visual scaling' in the head, though.

For decades people have complained about the lack of space in a Defender and how cramped they are, shock horror they've made it bigger. The current Fiesta is bigger than the MK11 Granada.

Orange Cola wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:17 pm

Beany wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:15 pm Perhaps it's just me, but I think it's the wheels that make it look much 'bigger'. I'm too crap with photoshop to shrink 'em down, anyone care to try?

That’s because the wheels and tyre pairings are larger on the new Defender, largest ones LR have ever fit to a series production car

What? The wheels on the new Defender aren’t bigger than the factory options ok the Range Rover.

Maybe the overall diameter including tyre ?

An off road tyre needs a deformable sidewall and you won’t get that with a low (in comparison) profile.

Dave!

Jobbo wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:24 am

Orange Cola wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:17 pm

Beany wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:15 pm Perhaps it's just me, but I think it's the wheels that make it look much 'bigger'. I'm too crap with photoshop to shrink 'em down, anyone care to try?

That’s because the wheels AND TYRE PAIRINGS are larger on the new Defender, largest ones LR have ever fit to a series production car

What? The wheels on the new Defender aren’t bigger than the factory options ok the Range Rover.

Helped you out there Jobbo

Hmm, seem to be pretty much the exact same diameter as fitted to the 21” option on the Range Rover; 31” total diameter. If it’s a few thousandths bigger on the Defender then your statement sounds like fanboy hyperbole.

Plenty of far bigger tyre diameters being run on old Defenders anyway. They start at 31”...

Edited to correct maths brain fart; I’d only added the tyre sidewall height once, not twice, to get the total diameter.

I’ve just specced one to £65k being realistic with the options
I’m surprised with all the odd road packs and electronic diffs - is the car just a poncy Chelsea tractor without them or are they just for people planning on taking their car to a mud pit?